A rendering of the new building by ARC Shadow. Design by SLCE Architects.
An 18-story senior housing development is expected to rise at 2330 Broadway between 84th and 85th Streets, and the developers have now filed permits.
“It will have 162 residences, with an average unit scope of 674 square feet. Half of the units will be reserved for residents with memory and cognitive disorders,” YIMBY reported. “Demolition permits were filed in February of this year. The project is estimated to be completed by 2020.”
Welltower Inc., a senior-focused real estate investment trust, is partnering with real estate firm Hines on the project.
A recent article in the Observer looked at how firms like Welltower are attempting to build more senior-focused housing in the city.
@WestSideRag, I remember in your last post on this story stated that the senior residences would be luxury, is that still the case?
We don’t know the exact price points yet. The company’s East side project is certainly expected to be luxury.
Looking at Wellpoint’s other property, the Atria on West 86th, sort of looks like thing are geared for the higher end of market.
https://www.atriaseniorliving.com/retirement-communities/atria-west-86/
If the downtown entrance weren’t at the front of 86th Street, I would’ve suggested having an entrance with an elevator in the building for 86th Street would’ve been a great addition. Technically, it’s still possible, but it would be a much more arduous process, and much costlier.
Also, to those who are going to inevitably complain about the height, the building is only 230 feet, which is just establishing the plateau. Honestly, in my eyes, they could’ve added about 180 feet, make a 410-foot tower, add some affordable housing or something like that. This is a better project than most of the ones that have risen nearby, and the design retains a more classic design without it looking dated like the other projects
Hey look. No voids. Something to smile about.
Why would a private building want to have an elevator to the subway that’s accessible to the public?They have to get something in return.
The building will run from the corner of 85th along Broadway towards 84th.
So it’s hard to follow your point.
I am saying if 86th Street was structured like the Q train stations (where the main entrance on 86th Street was in the far north side.) then the building could’ve been designed to implement an elevator in the building
But it’s not that way, so oh well.
Isn’t just West 86th street, but all of Broadway that is different than UES SAS.
Those UES tunnels for new subway are very deep underground for a reason; MTA had to avoid tons of infrastructure buried just under road bed of Broadway.
As have repeatedly stated; only way to add elevators for much of the 8th Avenue or Broadway subway lines is to either gain an easement from private property/building (not very likely), condemn same and build as what was done with SAS (again not very likely), or try to find sidewalk space wide enough to accommodate.
Another fact-based comment. I am grateful for the informed discussion, increasingly rare among the commentariat.
To quote the great Billy Joel, “I’ve seen the lights go out on Broadway.” Yet another tall building making Broadway even darker. I guess it could be a lot worse, but I wish they at least would have limited it to the height of the building across the street.
Agreed. It would look better and more appropriate within its context if that top excressence were just eliminated.
775 feet is tall
668 feet is tall
230 feet is not tall, by any measure in this neighborhood.
Let me add if we are to fix the housing crisis in the city, we need to start on the hyperlocal level, and here, building taller, and building more than we are right now. For example, between 72nd and 86th Streets, we need to cap at skyscraper status (492 feet/150 meters), with MIH requirements coming in when a building reaches 2/3 that height (328 feet/100 meters).
This project, could and should go taller. Especially ok Broadway, bulk absolutely has to increase, or else housing is going to get even more expensive.
Will it be “assisted” or “independent” living? There are major differences between the two.
How can I get on the waiting list for an apartment?
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I hope there is some commercial space or lively community space planned for the street level. The problem with senior residences is after 6:30 pm they go dark and creates a void in the block. Fortunately Goddard Riverside has evening programming. Sadly, it is in the basement rather than street level.
The Williams Senior Residence has been an active place for many years. In addition to visitors coming in and out all day, the residents themselves socialize in front of the Williams and take group walks around the neighborhood.
New residents in our neighborhood could learn a lot about community building just right there.
This is not true; have passed several such places evenings/overnight and they are far from “dark” or whatever in evenings.
First and foremost the lobbies are full service and staffed 24/7.
Any other senior residences being built on the UWS for the other 99% who worked all their life and have only a modest income?
No. This is high end. You have empty nesters from the suburbs returning to the UWS and the parents of hedge fund managers. A lot of seniors are looking to buy in the newer buildings also. Seniors with money!
honestly, i’m looking at Ecuador myself for retirement.
i favor Guatemala or Mexico myself
Exactly! Where are WE supposed to go?
There are two such projects. One is being built on 108 St by WSFSSH after much community opposition. The other may be built on 97 St. by JHL but this has even more community opposition and a law suit. If someone from Mars landed on the UWS, the only logical explanation would be that our elderly either all became very wealthy or were eliminated.
“were eliminated”
We need more developers like Welltower to build affordable senior housing units with support for seniors with memory loss.
How does one apply for residence in one of these units?
Building will house “luxury assisted living”.
https://therealdeal.com/2018/11/09/welltower-and-hines-are-planning-more-luxury-housing-for-seniors-in-manhattan/
“The new property will stand 17 stories above 85th Street and will comprise 140,000 square feet, including both memory care facilities and senior living areas. Further details on interior components and design of the building have not been revealed by the developers.”
https://newyorkyimby.com/2018/11/welltower-announces-second-luxury-senior-facility-at-2330-broadway-upper-west-side.html
So if you or the spouse are wealthy and suffer from Alzheimer’s or other forms of dementia; this will be the spot for you. OTOH if on Medicaid, Medicare or of otherwise limited financial means you’ll have to look elsewhere.
More facts, keep them coming!
“OTOH if on Medicaid, Medicare or of otherwise limited financial means you’ll have to look elsewhere.”
Let’ss hope the NIMBYs don’t try and kill this one too…
We are all aware of this building which will be another waste of real estate. The stores that were forced to vacate were very important to the community and this is a farce. Who needs another ridiculously expensive building on the upper west side that gives nothing to the community but more congestion and noise
Your community may not be the same as someone else’s.
WOW THAT SOUNDS EXCITING. CAN YOU KEEP ME IPDATED.
Why is the Upper West side bearing the brunt of supportive housing units in Manhattan? When will the East side take it’s fair share?
You have the wrong end of stick. This “supportive housing” is a far cry from the low income, homeless (current or formerly), Medicaid and other such UWS is more familiar.
I believe that you are being generous in you reply. The comment was meant to convey a disdain for the poor.
Zzzzzzzzzzz…. a nursing home smack in the middle of a key commercial and residential stretch. The Upper West Side is doing its best to compete for the title of Most Boring Neighborhood In The City.
“Firms like Welltower are attempting to build more senior-focused housing in the city.”
I am sorry that you find this so unappealing, but we have to put up with your demographic segment, so there’s that.
This building will be a combination of “assisted” and “independent” luxury senior living with around 160 units.
At this company’s other similar building on the east side the rents are $7800 – $20,000 per month.
This one actually doesn’t look nearly as bad as many of the other high rises; we all know which ones those are…….but—where do the people who will become seniors on the UWS who can’t afford this building but don’t qualify for JHS or the 108th st new building go? Does there exist any kind of count which shows how many more people have been displaced by new construction than benefit from it? It doesn’t seem like it could be in any way equal. WSR, how to find out in real numbers? Curious! And btw, as so many commenters on this site like to say, just leave already if you can’t afford the UWS any more, well, the point—not that they would hear it— is the past & future loss of MIDDLE class housing and services, duh. These are our community members, for better or for worse. The UWS I grew up on had plenty of huge apartments in gorgeous buildings (which still exist) just as it had housing projects which still exist. What it also had, though, was everything in between, which went hand in hand with the incredible mix of culture, languages, food stores, neat shops/ smaller businesses in general, etc etc., and oh yeah, diversity versus divisiveness. Isn’t that what a neighborhood is supposed to feel like? A community? With balance? I’m sure that these words will lead to the aforementioned commenters erroneously scolding me for wishing for the good old days of crime and grime but that’s exactly the divisiveness I mean. Like, who would be saying that by people missing what used to feel like a more friendly inclusive place equals that we are saying we can’t wait to feel unsafe & be mugged? Please.
well said, NYYGirl! (New York Yankee girl?)
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Contact Atria (assuming this will be another of their named properties), and ask to be put on mailing list or whatever for when this new building opens.
https://www.atriaseniorliving.com/retirement-communities/atria-west-86/neighborhood/
https://www.atriaseniorliving.com/retirement-communities
This is market rate senior/assisted living. Not something run by or in conjunction with the city. You have an interest in living here you reach out and arrange a tour and or to have someone contact you with information.
Since construction hasn’t even begun don’t think there will be a sales office, and or much that can be said at the moment.
Will there be space for a bed and a refrigerator?
For those who missed the series, NYT did a rather good piece on the “oldest” of New Yorkers (those >80) including UWS resident the late John Sorensen.
How the elderly fare in NYC is of course largely based upon many factors, including socio-economic demographic. But suffice to say the city and state do a decent job of providing for low or even middle income New York residents. So am puzzled at all the queries about “where are we (assumed elderly) supposed to go”?
Are efforts by local and state government totally enough? No, not by a long shot, but compared to some other states/cities with far less of a progressive social mindset.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/nyregion/a-group-portrait-of-new-yorks-oldest-old.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/04/nyregion/the-best-of-85-and-up-life-lessons-from-nyc-elders.html
Overall issue is that federal, state and local policies regarding seniors still is largely stuck in another era. That is old persons go into a nursing home and that is where they will live out remainder of their days. This is no longer largely true.
However aging in place requires totally different care and other models. Many assume Medicare pays for skilled nursing care (it does but coverage is limited). Medicare also does not cover anything else but “limited” home healthcare as well.
If qualified Medicaid does pay for the above, but not everyone can go on that program.
Compounding the issue of seniors is that New York city (especially Manhattan) has and always has had a large number of single never married persons. Being self reliant is fine when one is young, but as we age lack of children and or family can make living alone difficult.
Make friends.
Some seniors do, others don’t for various reasons.
You still have a good number of “old school” elderly who moved into a building or area when things were completely different in terms of demographics. New neighbors try to be friendly but some older folks just don’t want to know.
Other thing is many older persons can (and often do) become prisoners in those old walk-up tenements/apartment buildings. Once mobility issues arise they cannot navigate all those stairs, so unless people come to them, they remain housebound and largely alone.
Again read that NYT series on the elderly in NYC linked above. It was really great.
Another fact-based discussion,so rare to find.
“Overall issue is that federal, state and local policies regarding seniors still is largely stuck in another era. That is old persons go into a nursing home and that is where they will live out remainder of their days. This is no longer largely true.”
Hi, where can I find an application for a unit.
How does one get an application or on the mailing list.
This is my favorite area in NYC.
Not to be rude but, did either of you read what was posted above?
There isn’t an “application” for this sort of housing. Once it goes up or sometime before a sales office will open, and or other marketing providing information for those interested.
This sort of senior assisted living is basically luxury residence hotel.
If you want in for yourself or a family member you contact Atria (or whoever) schedule a tour (and or request printed marketing information). Should a decision be made to go forward then parties sit down and do the business.
https://www.atriaseniorliving.com/retirement-communities/atria-west-86/supportive-living/
https://www.atriaseniorliving.com/retirement-communities/atria-west-86/floor-plans/
Both the supportive and independent senior living units are month to month leases, again just like a residential hotel.