By Carol Tannenhauser
At 12:17 p.m. on Sunday, a 27-year-old man was fatally shot one time in the head by an unknown individual, following a dispute outside of 140 West 102nd Street, near Amsterdam Avenue and the Frederick Douglass playground, the NYPD told WSR. That is one block from the 24th Precinct station house, 1010 WINS pointed out, which is across the playground.
The victim was pronounced “DOA” at the scene, and the suspect fled. No arrests were made, and the investigation is ongoing.
By Carol Tannenhauser
At 12:17 p.m. on Sunday, a 27-year-old man was fatally shot one time in the head by an unknown individual, following a dispute outside of 140 West 102nd Street, near Amsterdam Avenue and the Frederick Douglass playground, the NYPD told WSR. That is one block from the 24th Precinct station house, 1010 WINS pointed out, which is across the playground.
The victim was pronounced “DOA” at the scene, and the suspect fled. No arrests were made, and the investigation is ongoing.
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At this point you have to assume everyone is packing heat so if you have a disagreement just let the other guy win and keep it moving. Even if you know you’re right, it’s not worth it to continue.
Agree – and that is why the proposal by some to send social workers and others not expert at confrontations involving weapons was a misguided and ill advised rallying cry.
Arming average New Yorkers is not the answer. Guns in the hands of virtually everyone has not made the south any safer. Crime’s rising there too.
Curious as to why your comment seems to associate high gun ownership with only the South?
According to this, not even the top four states in gun ownership are Southern.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state
Perhaps you are commenting based on some other statistic?
Leon, it sounds to me like you’re the one who hates progressive Upper West Siders!
Has there ever been a single comment that Leon has made where he doesn’t note that he votes for Democrats but those darn progressive are screwing up everything?
Because they are a typical know-it-all Upper West Sider who likes to make uninformed generalizations about other parts of the country but they have never actually been to these places and/or interacted with people there.
This is why much of America hates us. And note that I am am strongly in favor of major gun restrictions and I vote Democrat. But I am also pragmatic and a realist and I have spent time living and working in red states.
Even people trained in the use of weapons tend to hit bystanders in the stress of the moment (anyone remember that Midtown shooting incident several years back where the cops hit like nine passersby and zero of the criminals?). I sure won’t feel any safer knowing that yet more amateurs have the option to shoot me by accident when they’re upset.
Hi Sarah! Will you EVER be against criminal behavior? Or will you ALWAYS rail against people trying to protect themselves and the NYPD?
Not everyone. Law abiding citizens are not ‘packing heat’ since only the fabulously wealthy and famous are granted a permit to carry a gun on the street, and law abiding citizens by definition don’t ‘pack heat’ when it is against the law.
However shortly there will be a SCOTUS decision re New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen and maybe that will change, in which case at least the law abiding will be on an equal footing.
“in which case at least the law abiding will be on an equal footing.”
That’s an odd definition of “equal footing”, since it’s still illegal to shoot someone even if you have a legal gun on you, well except in places like Florida.
“I felt threatened” is not a legal excuse in NY, well except for cops.
Packing heat is slang, not a government definition of having a permit to carry a weapon. Almost no one has a permit in the city unless you are security or some adjacent field. These are illegal guns and ghost guns. Given the voting demographics of the city (left / progressive), very few people would ever get a gun even if it were legal. Which begs the question, is this poster on the take from gun lobby. Or just strangely flexing knowledge of court cases on docket.
When I see people yelling on the street, I get away as quickly as possible for this reason. If I can’t get away quickly I mutter to myself “Please don’t have a gun. Please don’t have a gun”
Sad but true
More details:
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-upper-west-side-fatal-shoo
ting-mercedes-20220501bcshjjhrdjabzduvoh2m6w6zjy-story.html
Unfortunately, NYCHA buildings have a history of guns and crime, and it doesn’t seem to end. Those buildings lack vital services and functioning security. And it doesn’t help that NYCHA is fraught with misuse of funds and corruption.
And where the guy was shot and killed on Sunday on a 102nd and Amsterdam next to the NYCHA are where they want to put an open street
“And it doesn’t help that NYCHA is fraught with misuse of funds and corruption.”
How does this lead to guns in NYCHA housing?
By your logic, there’d be lots of guns in finance.
Have the police finally admitted that violent crime is on the rise?
I have yet to speak with an Officer who has denied that crime across many categories is on the rise. Some of our elected representatives and some caucus leaders are the ones that think otherwise.
The police has always known that. They were taking their orders from the deBlasio administration, which asked them to sweep it all under the rug. Plus since nothing would actually be prosecuted, it wasn’t worth their time to make arrests.
Perhaps this will finally get through to the two groups in denial: those who want to bake cookies and sing kumbaya for criminals, and those who think it isn’t a problem because it was worse back in the day.
“Plus since nothing would actually be prosecuted, it wasn’t worth their time to make arrests.”
So…um…do YOU just get to decide not to do your job because your bosses do things with your work that you don’t agree with? I sure don’t. Cops are WELL compensated to carry out the policies determined by the representatives of the people, not to slack off and play on their phones because their precious feelings are hurt.
Lot of people around here who should know better like the taste of boot leather, I guess.
If I were a police officer and saw a kid stealing a pack of gum and I am suspicious that they might also have a knife, I am less likely to try to stop them and risk a confrontation if I am 99% sure that they will face zero consequences for their action and will be back on the street immediately.
Please stop trying to redirect the conversation – this is very obvious human nature and I don’t blame the cops.
What exactly makes you think the police are not doing their job out of spite? I have heard this before – that the police are deliberately not doing their job. Is there any evidence of this?
I am guessing that there is an increase in crime for a variety pf reasons, the police ARE doing their job,but new policy changes are affecting street level crime.
I was told multiple times by the desk sargent at the precinct in question during the diBlasio admin that they don’t chase criminals because they “don’t get any support from downtown.” It wasn’t because diBlasio wanted a favor. Cops hated diBlasio.
It sounded like they decided not to do their job. They were – and are – just being petulant. Just last week i watched the dirtbike gang raging up Broadway on the wrong side, popping wheelies and running the light at 106, and a cop in a nice NYPD Explorer just watched them go by. Wasn’t even on his radio.
So yeah, when it comes to public safety, not doing their job.
We need more cops, more funding, more cameras. Crime will continue until criminals are stoped and held and jailed.
How about some new policies too? And stricter enforcement. And consequences. And reorganization of city-owned housing with long and extensive records of residents with illegal firearms, including resident relocation and/or eviction if warranted.
To my fellow neighbors complaining about rise in crime . . . What did you expect would happen when supporting “defund the police” policies and voting in politicians who pushed for bail reform? This lawlessness attitude was on the radar back when youths were dousing police officers with buckets of water in 2019 and our Mayor did nothing. Hoping Adams’ is able to turn it around. I say bring back the night stick!
Has anyone noticed that the NYPD was never “defunded”? And that no current elected official on the UWS supported that slogan?
deblasio will be with us for the next 25 years
What specific DeBalsio policy is to blame here?
Does he sell guns in states like NC?
Does he encourage the carrying of illegal handguns?
Actually “yes” to your third question. By enacting policies that have caused crime to skyrocket, deBlasio has indeed encouraged more New Yorkers to carry (often illegal ) guns to protect themselves.
Which De Blasio policies are you referring to?
And how did those specific policies encourage the carrying of illegal guns?
[1] All weapon categories meant for wartime use (assault rifles, machine guns, etc.) should be illegal for personal use.
[2] All rifles used for hunting and sport should be rental only.
[3] Therefore, no ordinary citizen should be allowed to own a weapon. Guns should be banned. Totally and forever!
Guns are not making us safer! Just the opposite, in fact!
Erm, no. There is this pesky little thing called rights guarantees by the “us constitution” that repeated Supreme Court cases have had to point out (to bureaucrats who apparently had sketchy teachers for high school civics) guarantees the right to private folks to bear arms with limited restrictions. NYC has made it impossible for law abiding citizens to protect their families from gun toting felons when their fellow law abiding citizens who fail to perceive the disconnect want fewer and fewer cops to deal with a rise in illegal guns.
You invoke the Second Amendment, but you’ve clearly never read it. Once you do, you’ll understand how the “well-regulated militia” part completely permits what David calls for.
Perhaps you should review the Supreme Court cases expressly rejecting the interpretation you’re propounding. Theirs is the dispositive interpretation of the bill of rights in our system of government.
I am well-aware that it’s a HUGE conniption catalyst to say it’s not the guns – it’s the people who have the guns. Just like a substance addict will still addict, no matter what goodies you take away. Violent criminals will be violent using whatever they can get their hands on. They have to know there are consequences for certain choices and behaviors, and they haven’t had that message in quite some time.
Seems to me there are enforcement issues, and that Adams is showing himself to be a wimp who just wants to be adored and admired.
I feel so sorry for this young man and his loved ones. I hope they find the monster who killed him quickly.
I thought the neighborhood residents who spoke on some local TV news had it right: this was somebody’s child – and brother, and father, per reports. So it is devastating to many. The other commenter said – paraphrasing- too many of these kids think a gun is the way to solve an argument. I can’t speak to how that works, or how there is such a market for these guns, but those would seem to be the terrible problems that lead to such tragedy. Strength to all who try to address them.
Regardless of opinions on the “Stop, question, and frisk” policies, when the bad guys believed they might get stopped when they left their homes,a lot would leave their guns there, rather than run the risk of being caught “packing”. Any gun in dresser drawer is safer than tucked in a waistband.
Let’s be honest, it was never stop, question, and frisk. It was stop, listen to me before I break your arm, you look suspicious, frisk, what are you doing in this neighborhood, fingerprinted, held in jail under decriminalized marijuana charges for a dime bag when asked to turn your pockets out, and then sent to Rikers to fight bloods to use the phone because you couldn’t pay bail and your public defender is trash.
Strange but I keep getting eliminated (comments deleted), just like the perps get cut out of a normal life by being kept in poverty, i.e., the ghetto.
My comment was simply “end poverty, problem solved.” While not solved in the entirety, White Collar crime seems to be rewarded and sets a bad example, but much of the Blue-Collar crime will be eliminated by ending poverty and increasing respect and opportunity. And if you by chance think that is not true, who do you think the responses in this thread are coming from, ghetto people?
Is deleting coming? Did I hurt someone’s feelings?
At this point you have to assume everyone is packing heat so if you have a disagreement just let the other guy win and keep it moving. Even if you know you’re right, it’s not worth it to continue.
Agree – and that is why the proposal by some to send social workers and others not expert at confrontations involving weapons was a misguided and ill advised rallying cry.
Arming average New Yorkers is not the answer. Guns in the hands of virtually everyone has not made the south any safer. Crime’s rising there too.
Curious as to why your comment seems to associate high gun ownership with only the South?
According to this, not even the top four states in gun ownership are Southern.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-ownership-by-state
Perhaps you are commenting based on some other statistic?
Leon, it sounds to me like you’re the one who hates progressive Upper West Siders!
Has there ever been a single comment that Leon has made where he doesn’t note that he votes for Democrats but those darn progressive are screwing up everything?
Because they are a typical know-it-all Upper West Sider who likes to make uninformed generalizations about other parts of the country but they have never actually been to these places and/or interacted with people there.
This is why much of America hates us. And note that I am am strongly in favor of major gun restrictions and I vote Democrat. But I am also pragmatic and a realist and I have spent time living and working in red states.
Even people trained in the use of weapons tend to hit bystanders in the stress of the moment (anyone remember that Midtown shooting incident several years back where the cops hit like nine passersby and zero of the criminals?). I sure won’t feel any safer knowing that yet more amateurs have the option to shoot me by accident when they’re upset.
Hi Sarah! Will you EVER be against criminal behavior? Or will you ALWAYS rail against people trying to protect themselves and the NYPD?
Not everyone. Law abiding citizens are not ‘packing heat’ since only the fabulously wealthy and famous are granted a permit to carry a gun on the street, and law abiding citizens by definition don’t ‘pack heat’ when it is against the law.
However shortly there will be a SCOTUS decision re New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen and maybe that will change, in which case at least the law abiding will be on an equal footing.
“in which case at least the law abiding will be on an equal footing.”
That’s an odd definition of “equal footing”, since it’s still illegal to shoot someone even if you have a legal gun on you, well except in places like Florida.
“I felt threatened” is not a legal excuse in NY, well except for cops.
Packing heat is slang, not a government definition of having a permit to carry a weapon. Almost no one has a permit in the city unless you are security or some adjacent field. These are illegal guns and ghost guns. Given the voting demographics of the city (left / progressive), very few people would ever get a gun even if it were legal. Which begs the question, is this poster on the take from gun lobby. Or just strangely flexing knowledge of court cases on docket.
When I see people yelling on the street, I get away as quickly as possible for this reason. If I can’t get away quickly I mutter to myself “Please don’t have a gun. Please don’t have a gun”
Sad but true
More details:
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-upper-west-side-fatal-shoo
ting-mercedes-20220501bcshjjhrdjabzduvoh2m6w6zjy-story.html
Unfortunately, NYCHA buildings have a history of guns and crime, and it doesn’t seem to end. Those buildings lack vital services and functioning security. And it doesn’t help that NYCHA is fraught with misuse of funds and corruption.
And where the guy was shot and killed on Sunday on a 102nd and Amsterdam next to the NYCHA are where they want to put an open street
“And it doesn’t help that NYCHA is fraught with misuse of funds and corruption.”
How does this lead to guns in NYCHA housing?
By your logic, there’d be lots of guns in finance.
Have the police finally admitted that violent crime is on the rise?
I have yet to speak with an Officer who has denied that crime across many categories is on the rise. Some of our elected representatives and some caucus leaders are the ones that think otherwise.
The police has always known that. They were taking their orders from the deBlasio administration, which asked them to sweep it all under the rug. Plus since nothing would actually be prosecuted, it wasn’t worth their time to make arrests.
Perhaps this will finally get through to the two groups in denial: those who want to bake cookies and sing kumbaya for criminals, and those who think it isn’t a problem because it was worse back in the day.
“Plus since nothing would actually be prosecuted, it wasn’t worth their time to make arrests.”
So…um…do YOU just get to decide not to do your job because your bosses do things with your work that you don’t agree with? I sure don’t. Cops are WELL compensated to carry out the policies determined by the representatives of the people, not to slack off and play on their phones because their precious feelings are hurt.
Lot of people around here who should know better like the taste of boot leather, I guess.
If I were a police officer and saw a kid stealing a pack of gum and I am suspicious that they might also have a knife, I am less likely to try to stop them and risk a confrontation if I am 99% sure that they will face zero consequences for their action and will be back on the street immediately.
Please stop trying to redirect the conversation – this is very obvious human nature and I don’t blame the cops.
What exactly makes you think the police are not doing their job out of spite? I have heard this before – that the police are deliberately not doing their job. Is there any evidence of this?
I am guessing that there is an increase in crime for a variety pf reasons, the police ARE doing their job,but new policy changes are affecting street level crime.
I was told multiple times by the desk sargent at the precinct in question during the diBlasio admin that they don’t chase criminals because they “don’t get any support from downtown.” It wasn’t because diBlasio wanted a favor. Cops hated diBlasio.
It sounded like they decided not to do their job. They were – and are – just being petulant. Just last week i watched the dirtbike gang raging up Broadway on the wrong side, popping wheelies and running the light at 106, and a cop in a nice NYPD Explorer just watched them go by. Wasn’t even on his radio.
So yeah, when it comes to public safety, not doing their job.
We need more cops, more funding, more cameras. Crime will continue until criminals are stoped and held and jailed.
How about some new policies too? And stricter enforcement. And consequences. And reorganization of city-owned housing with long and extensive records of residents with illegal firearms, including resident relocation and/or eviction if warranted.
To my fellow neighbors complaining about rise in crime . . . What did you expect would happen when supporting “defund the police” policies and voting in politicians who pushed for bail reform? This lawlessness attitude was on the radar back when youths were dousing police officers with buckets of water in 2019 and our Mayor did nothing. Hoping Adams’ is able to turn it around. I say bring back the night stick!
Has anyone noticed that the NYPD was never “defunded”? And that no current elected official on the UWS supported that slogan?
deblasio will be with us for the next 25 years
What specific DeBalsio policy is to blame here?
Does he sell guns in states like NC?
Does he encourage the carrying of illegal handguns?
Actually “yes” to your third question. By enacting policies that have caused crime to skyrocket, deBlasio has indeed encouraged more New Yorkers to carry (often illegal ) guns to protect themselves.
Which De Blasio policies are you referring to?
And how did those specific policies encourage the carrying of illegal guns?
[1] All weapon categories meant for wartime use (assault rifles, machine guns, etc.) should be illegal for personal use.
[2] All rifles used for hunting and sport should be rental only.
[3] Therefore, no ordinary citizen should be allowed to own a weapon. Guns should be banned. Totally and forever!
Guns are not making us safer! Just the opposite, in fact!
Erm, no. There is this pesky little thing called rights guarantees by the “us constitution” that repeated Supreme Court cases have had to point out (to bureaucrats who apparently had sketchy teachers for high school civics) guarantees the right to private folks to bear arms with limited restrictions. NYC has made it impossible for law abiding citizens to protect their families from gun toting felons when their fellow law abiding citizens who fail to perceive the disconnect want fewer and fewer cops to deal with a rise in illegal guns.
You invoke the Second Amendment, but you’ve clearly never read it. Once you do, you’ll understand how the “well-regulated militia” part completely permits what David calls for.
Perhaps you should review the Supreme Court cases expressly rejecting the interpretation you’re propounding. Theirs is the dispositive interpretation of the bill of rights in our system of government.
I am well-aware that it’s a HUGE conniption catalyst to say it’s not the guns – it’s the people who have the guns. Just like a substance addict will still addict, no matter what goodies you take away. Violent criminals will be violent using whatever they can get their hands on. They have to know there are consequences for certain choices and behaviors, and they haven’t had that message in quite some time.
Seems to me there are enforcement issues, and that Adams is showing himself to be a wimp who just wants to be adored and admired.
I feel so sorry for this young man and his loved ones. I hope they find the monster who killed him quickly.
I thought the neighborhood residents who spoke on some local TV news had it right: this was somebody’s child – and brother, and father, per reports. So it is devastating to many. The other commenter said – paraphrasing- too many of these kids think a gun is the way to solve an argument. I can’t speak to how that works, or how there is such a market for these guns, but those would seem to be the terrible problems that lead to such tragedy. Strength to all who try to address them.
Regardless of opinions on the “Stop, question, and frisk” policies, when the bad guys believed they might get stopped when they left their homes,a lot would leave their guns there, rather than run the risk of being caught “packing”. Any gun in dresser drawer is safer than tucked in a waistband.
Let’s be honest, it was never stop, question, and frisk. It was stop, listen to me before I break your arm, you look suspicious, frisk, what are you doing in this neighborhood, fingerprinted, held in jail under decriminalized marijuana charges for a dime bag when asked to turn your pockets out, and then sent to Rikers to fight bloods to use the phone because you couldn’t pay bail and your public defender is trash.
Strange but I keep getting eliminated (comments deleted), just like the perps get cut out of a normal life by being kept in poverty, i.e., the ghetto.
My comment was simply “end poverty, problem solved.” While not solved in the entirety, White Collar crime seems to be rewarded and sets a bad example, but much of the Blue-Collar crime will be eliminated by ending poverty and increasing respect and opportunity. And if you by chance think that is not true, who do you think the responses in this thread are coming from, ghetto people?
Is deleting coming? Did I hurt someone’s feelings?