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Frickles are the best.
Sorry if I missed this, but does anyone know what they are building on the south side of 86th between Broadway and West End. They left up the front of the building but have cleared out everything behind it – it is now a huge pile of bricks inside. How tall will the new building be? One building or multiple?
https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=1&allbin=1033147&allstrt=WEST 86 STREET&allnumbhous=272
I hit send prematurely…according to dept of bldgs they are combining the 3 bldgs. into 1
Thanks, joe and househistorian. But the fact of the matter is that there are no buildings left to combine, or to do work on. There is a (supported) facade, and behind the brick-deep facade is a now-vacant lot.
Or was this perhaps an “oops”?
The facades are landmarked, the guts are not. The buildings were these awful cut-up traps with 90 degrees narrow stairs. So the developer gutted them and will make them into one structure with huge apartments and some additional floors. Right now, it is a pretty surreal sight…
I’ve been mystified by this as well. I assumed that they were doing at most a gut rehab and was surprised to see, in the last day or so, what you’ve reported: The facades are left, but the remainder of the structures completely demolished.
The sign on the outside of the construction wall isn’t helpful at all.
Does anyone have any information on this?
Looks like a gut renovation with an additional story added to the top.
https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=2&allbin=1033142&allstrt=WEST%20%20%2086%20STREET&allnumbhous=274
In case you want to search more, the property is Block 1233 Lot 08.
https://maps.nyc.gov/taxmap/map.htm?searchType=BblSearch&featureTypeName=EVERY_BBL&borough=Manhattan&block=1233&lot=58
Can one of you send a photo to westsiderag at gmail dot com? We’ll investigate.
What would you do?
You’re in your apartment at night. You hear two people yelling at each other on the street. You observe from your window.
The yelling intensifies. Profanity, etc. They walk up the street, somewhat together, possibly one following the other, or one just walking away from the other.
But the yelling continues.
You don’t see weapons of any sort, but think there “could” “potentially” be physical violence. But you don’t know.
Do you call the police? Chances are, by the time they come, the argument has either: moved on, away from your apartment, or has stopped altogether. Better safe, than sorry?
Just wondering…
I’ve seen this almost every night on 96 Street, between Broadway and WEA. I assume that this has been designated as a public space for confrontation and conflict. The closed NAACP and Generator building serve as perfect background for this stage.
I’d like to know what to do and who to call if I DON’T witness these one night.
Not exactly same question, but a neighbor’s smoke detector went off for HOURS on Sunday. Loud. Hours. Grrrrrrr.
you can always yell “shut up!!” out your window! it is a time honored NYC practice and usually will work.
people are allowed to yell at each other on the street w/o the cops being called, and in fact in most cases you will be taking the cops away from more serious things they have to take care of. if it goes on for a few minutes (it which case it is usually two drunks) you can enter a noise complaint.
the exceptions I make are when it appears to be a real or incipient case of domestic violence / violence against women. that is usually possible to tell if you can see what is going on… also it is worth listening if it is a male and female voice fighting. i call the cops quickly in a case like that. they can escalate.
if people are swinging at each other, call the cops. with gun violence, it usually breaks out fast and with little notice… you won’t usually hear people screaming at each other for ten minutes first.
It’s happened to me hundreds of times. I grew up in the West 90’s. It happens to me now and I live on 66th Street and Riverside Blvd. on the third floor. I don’t get involved unless someone starts screaming bloody murder or hear shots fired. Otherwise most likely a drug induced or drunken brawl that goes no further!
I have seen this and wondered the same thing. It is incredible to me as to how many people “air their dirty laundry” on the street. Yet, they are all concerned about their privacy.
On Monday, through the construction barrier, I noted a sign, “Now hiring for this location”, in the window of Lowe’s, which, I was told, is opening soon at 68th Street and Broadway.
I accessed the Lowe’s website and, indeed, there were job postings for zip code 10023.
Mayson Cleaners/Tailors at 230 West 79th(next to the liquor store) has a window sign saying they’re moving/merging with Alec Sutton Cleaners at 216 West 79th.
I offer this as related to other conversations that have gone on here, and for general community interest. From today’s DNAinfo, an interactive map and article under this self-explanatory headline:
Rise in Serious Crime Seen in Most NYPD Precincts
Yup, murders and shootings up dramatically. If only there was a way to stop people who may have guns and determine whether they in fact do. . .
is this a thinly-veiled reference to stop and frisk? I hope we are not going to continue to be subjected to posts and/or rants about the De Blassio administration and stop and frisk every time there is an increase in crime statistics. People really need to be better informed and SO much less ignorant. Even if crime is up somewhat this year–and, yes, of course, all crime is reprehensible…especially violent crime–murder, historically, is still near an all-time low for NYC.
More to the point, there is absolutely no proof whatsoever of a statistical correlation between stop and frisk as practiced by the NYPD during the Bloomberg administration and a decline in violent crime. Crime has risen and fallen in NYC and other U.S. cities in recent years with zero relationship to stop and frisk.
Additionally, stop and frisk as practiced by the NYPD during the Bloomberg administration has been ruled to be unconstitutional. Please don’t tell me that law-abiding citizens are willing to sacrifice fundamental precepts of our Constitution and system of law for the facade of increased safety.
Finally, the NYPD Police Commissioner has stated over and over that the way that practice of stop and frisk has been modified since De Blassio took office does NOT represent a sea change in NYC police tactics and has nothing whatsoever to do with the incidence of crime.
Can we agree to limit ourselves to verifiable facts and actual causal relationships versus political diatribes, subjective interpretations or less-than-useful anecdotes?
It was ruled unconstitutional, yes, but by a Judge that was quickly tossed off the case by her own colleagues for completely improper behavior. The fact of the matter is it worked. Statistically speaking the NYPD confiscated more guns while employing “stop and frisk” than they do now. It’s math, you can’t dispute it. Less guns = less crime. That’s not only indisputable math, it’s common sense. Don’t we want to live in a neighborhood that has less guns than more? Again, common sense. And to accomplish that, if it means that I get stopped and searched for a gun I do not have, what do I care. I can walk my two year old around the neighborhood comfortable that there will be less crime. That’s more important to me.
I’d agree with you, but bruce has disqualified me from the conversation.
one more thing about Paul RL’s unfactual paragraph:
Paul RL said:
“In so doing, the NYPD has “lightened up” on the crime fighting tools and tactics that worked so successfully for 20 years.”
no, mass racial profiling stop and frisk was not here for “20 years.” it was not used to that extent in the Dinkins and Giuliani eras, when crime went down. it was started under Bloomberg.
If you’d read the article, rather than reflexively pulling the OMG Rant off the shelf, you’d have read the following (excerpts, though I believe the context is preserved):
“But many observers say the increased criminal activity is also linked to the plunge in NYPD stop-and-frisks.
During the high-crime 1990s, NYPD officers were stopping and frisking about 100,000 people annually.
But after Michael Bloomberg became mayor in 2002, the numbers skyrocketed under Police Commissioner Ray Kelly to 685,000 in 2011 until the public and the courts called for a federal police monitor and the creation of an NYPD inspector general.
Ultimately, Mayor Bill de Blasio was elected on a platform of dismantling aggressive policing.
Since then, the number of stop-and-frisks plunged to just 38,051 last year and to 7,135 through March this year, officials said.
‘Since the city has ceased stop-and-frisks, the NYPD needs to replace it with some other type of aggressive enforcement that targets the right people,’ one former top police official observed.
But that may not be enough given the swing in crime. And compounding matters is the sense that New York’s Finest have “taken a step back” fearing that “their every action is deemed to be overly aggressive,” the ex police official observed.”
Serious crimes are up. Shootings are up. Murders are up. Stop-and-frisk (actually, under Kelly, “stop-QUESTION-and frisks”) are down. The bad guys are having a field day, and those of us not playing ostrich are terrified to be on the streets.
And, yes, this “law-abiding citizen” would be happy to be stopped, questioned and, if appropriate, frisked “for the facade of increased safety” — since I’m not carrying a gun. Why should any law-abiding citizen *not* be willing to make that trade-off??
I don’t think the people who were shot, or whose innocent children were shot, felt any better knowing that they no longer had to answer police questions about whether they were carrying guns.
so the dispute is over racial profiling. do you want to bring racial profiling back?
let’s not make ludicrous statements like “the criminals are having a field day.” anyone who says anything like that sort of disqualifies themselves from the conversation.
“Façade” of increased safety? Pretty disingenuous of you. We were safer. Now we’re not. And by the way, much of the Mayor’s campaign platform was a reprimand of the NYPD, in which he DID promise to make a sea change in NYPD tactics. In so doing, the NYPD has “lightened up” on the crime fighting tools and tactics that worked so successfully for 20 years. And this is the result, like it or not.
Safety here fluctuates. Crime is up, then it’s down,then up and down again. I don’t think the stop and frisk has much to do with it. That’s all I have to say on that subject. It gets a bit tiresome reading the back and forth of a couple of posters on this issue. Enough said!
Paul RL says:
” “Façade” of increased safety? Pretty disingenuous of you.”
no, sir, it is you who are being disingenuous. Jerry gave an excellent analytical and rational discussion of the issue. You responded with one paragraph dissing him irresponsibly that had errors in almost every sentence. I’ll detail some of them.
Paul RL said: “We were safer. Now we’re not.”
not verified by facts — and an attempt to spread fear. almost all crimes were down last year, including murders. SOME crimes are up a little this year citywide. in the 24th precinct, overall serious crimes are up less than 2%, mainly driven by an increase in grand larceny, which are non-violent crimes such as pickpocketing. Burglary in the 24th down 35%; not a single murder this year in the 24th; felonious assault down 38%.
citywide overall crimes in the “serious crimes” list continue down almost 7% ytd. murders up, yes, 107 to 123.
we saw exactly these same variations, even worse, during the Bloomberg and Giuliani administrations. but someone it never led to fear mongering and hysteria.
Paul RL said:
“And by the way, much of the Mayor’s campaign platform was a reprimand of the NYPD, in which he DID promise to make a sea change in NYPD tactics.”
A total distortion. He never “reprimanded” NYPD, he “reprimanded” Bloomberg. And the “sea change” he promised — and delivered — was the end to racial profiling. nothing more nor less.
Paul RL said:
“In so doing, the NYPD has “lightened up” on the crime fighting tools and tactics that worked so successfully for 20 years.”
I’ve asked you again and again to name the “crime fighting tools and techniques” that the NYPD has “lightened up” on. And you can’t name them. Because there is only one… racial profiling in the implementation of “stop and frisk.” nothing else.
Stop and frisk continues, as you well know, only under constitutional guidelines. I have even quoted the NYPD guidelines here. the ONLY THING that was thrown out was racial profiling.
if you want to bring back racial profiling, then be honest enough to say so.
And please don’t try to insist, as you have done in the past, that De Blasio “turned his back” on the NYPD. he did nothing of the sort. Anyone who examines his statements after the Eric Garner verdict will see they were measured and responsible. It was the old-line PBA leadership that tried to stir things up.
apparently the issue of nationwide police mistreatment of African-Americans has been lost on you. this doesn’t mean that all police do it, or a majority. but it certainly is an issue, in NYC and elsewhere, and “props” to the Mayor for getting rid of the most grievous violation, racial profiling “stop and frisk.”
Lets be clear. These are tactics that you THINK are causing the drop in crime.
When you actually study policing, and this has been done, policies like stop and frisk do not actually impact the overall crime rate. They increase arrests and incarceration of minorities in a disproportional and racist way. They represent an unconstitutional illegal search.
So tell me again why they’re a good thing? Its because they never affected your privileged white family. Its because they make you feel safer at night in your affluent neighborhood that still boasts an extraordinarily low crime rate. Its because you never had to watch people you love assaulted, searched, and handcuffed when they did nothing other than walk down the street.
Just going to leave this here.
https://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/05/the-ultimate-map-of-new-yorks-mean-streets/394448/
Frickles are the best.
Sorry if I missed this, but does anyone know what they are building on the south side of 86th between Broadway and West End. They left up the front of the building but have cleared out everything behind it – it is now a huge pile of bricks inside. How tall will the new building be? One building or multiple?
https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=1&allbin=1033147&allstrt=WEST 86 STREET&allnumbhous=272
I hit send prematurely…according to dept of bldgs they are combining the 3 bldgs. into 1
Thanks, joe and househistorian. But the fact of the matter is that there are no buildings left to combine, or to do work on. There is a (supported) facade, and behind the brick-deep facade is a now-vacant lot.
Or was this perhaps an “oops”?
The facades are landmarked, the guts are not. The buildings were these awful cut-up traps with 90 degrees narrow stairs. So the developer gutted them and will make them into one structure with huge apartments and some additional floors. Right now, it is a pretty surreal sight…
I’ve been mystified by this as well. I assumed that they were doing at most a gut rehab and was surprised to see, in the last day or so, what you’ve reported: The facades are left, but the remainder of the structures completely demolished.
The sign on the outside of the construction wall isn’t helpful at all.
Does anyone have any information on this?
Looks like a gut renovation with an additional story added to the top.
https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByLocationServlet?requestid=2&allbin=1033142&allstrt=WEST%20%20%2086%20STREET&allnumbhous=274
https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=3&passjobnumber=140110047&passdocnumber=01
In case you want to search more, the property is Block 1233 Lot 08.
https://maps.nyc.gov/taxmap/map.htm?searchType=BblSearch&featureTypeName=EVERY_BBL&borough=Manhattan&block=1233&lot=58
Can one of you send a photo to westsiderag at gmail dot com? We’ll investigate.
What would you do?
You’re in your apartment at night. You hear two people yelling at each other on the street. You observe from your window.
The yelling intensifies. Profanity, etc. They walk up the street, somewhat together, possibly one following the other, or one just walking away from the other.
But the yelling continues.
You don’t see weapons of any sort, but think there “could” “potentially” be physical violence. But you don’t know.
Do you call the police? Chances are, by the time they come, the argument has either: moved on, away from your apartment, or has stopped altogether. Better safe, than sorry?
Just wondering…
I’ve seen this almost every night on 96 Street, between Broadway and WEA. I assume that this has been designated as a public space for confrontation and conflict. The closed NAACP and Generator building serve as perfect background for this stage.
I’d like to know what to do and who to call if I DON’T witness these one night.
Not exactly same question, but a neighbor’s smoke detector went off for HOURS on Sunday. Loud. Hours. Grrrrrrr.
you can always yell “shut up!!” out your window! it is a time honored NYC practice and usually will work.
people are allowed to yell at each other on the street w/o the cops being called, and in fact in most cases you will be taking the cops away from more serious things they have to take care of. if it goes on for a few minutes (it which case it is usually two drunks) you can enter a noise complaint.
the exceptions I make are when it appears to be a real or incipient case of domestic violence / violence against women. that is usually possible to tell if you can see what is going on… also it is worth listening if it is a male and female voice fighting. i call the cops quickly in a case like that. they can escalate.
if people are swinging at each other, call the cops. with gun violence, it usually breaks out fast and with little notice… you won’t usually hear people screaming at each other for ten minutes first.
It’s happened to me hundreds of times. I grew up in the West 90’s. It happens to me now and I live on 66th Street and Riverside Blvd. on the third floor. I don’t get involved unless someone starts screaming bloody murder or hear shots fired. Otherwise most likely a drug induced or drunken brawl that goes no further!
I have seen this and wondered the same thing. It is incredible to me as to how many people “air their dirty laundry” on the street. Yet, they are all concerned about their privacy.
On Monday, through the construction barrier, I noted a sign, “Now hiring for this location”, in the window of Lowe’s, which, I was told, is opening soon at 68th Street and Broadway.
I accessed the Lowe’s website and, indeed, there were job postings for zip code 10023.
Mayson Cleaners/Tailors at 230 West 79th(next to the liquor store) has a window sign saying they’re moving/merging with Alec Sutton Cleaners at 216 West 79th.
I offer this as related to other conversations that have gone on here, and for general community interest. From today’s DNAinfo, an interactive map and article under this self-explanatory headline:
Rise in Serious Crime Seen in Most NYPD Precincts
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150603/williamsburg/interactive-map-rise-serious-crime-seen-most-nypd-precincts?utm_source=Manhattan&utm_campaign=893d88cace-Mailchimp-NYC&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7456974fe2-893d88cace-132534141
Yup, murders and shootings up dramatically. If only there was a way to stop people who may have guns and determine whether they in fact do. . .
is this a thinly-veiled reference to stop and frisk? I hope we are not going to continue to be subjected to posts and/or rants about the De Blassio administration and stop and frisk every time there is an increase in crime statistics. People really need to be better informed and SO much less ignorant. Even if crime is up somewhat this year–and, yes, of course, all crime is reprehensible…especially violent crime–murder, historically, is still near an all-time low for NYC.
More to the point, there is absolutely no proof whatsoever of a statistical correlation between stop and frisk as practiced by the NYPD during the Bloomberg administration and a decline in violent crime. Crime has risen and fallen in NYC and other U.S. cities in recent years with zero relationship to stop and frisk.
Additionally, stop and frisk as practiced by the NYPD during the Bloomberg administration has been ruled to be unconstitutional. Please don’t tell me that law-abiding citizens are willing to sacrifice fundamental precepts of our Constitution and system of law for the facade of increased safety.
Finally, the NYPD Police Commissioner has stated over and over that the way that practice of stop and frisk has been modified since De Blassio took office does NOT represent a sea change in NYC police tactics and has nothing whatsoever to do with the incidence of crime.
Can we agree to limit ourselves to verifiable facts and actual causal relationships versus political diatribes, subjective interpretations or less-than-useful anecdotes?
It was ruled unconstitutional, yes, but by a Judge that was quickly tossed off the case by her own colleagues for completely improper behavior. The fact of the matter is it worked. Statistically speaking the NYPD confiscated more guns while employing “stop and frisk” than they do now. It’s math, you can’t dispute it. Less guns = less crime. That’s not only indisputable math, it’s common sense. Don’t we want to live in a neighborhood that has less guns than more? Again, common sense. And to accomplish that, if it means that I get stopped and searched for a gun I do not have, what do I care. I can walk my two year old around the neighborhood comfortable that there will be less crime. That’s more important to me.
I’d agree with you, but bruce has disqualified me from the conversation.
one more thing about Paul RL’s unfactual paragraph:
Paul RL said:
“In so doing, the NYPD has “lightened up” on the crime fighting tools and tactics that worked so successfully for 20 years.”
no, mass racial profiling stop and frisk was not here for “20 years.” it was not used to that extent in the Dinkins and Giuliani eras, when crime went down. it was started under Bloomberg.
There, there. Feel better now?
If you’d read the article, rather than reflexively pulling the OMG Rant off the shelf, you’d have read the following (excerpts, though I believe the context is preserved):
“But many observers say the increased criminal activity is also linked to the plunge in NYPD stop-and-frisks.
During the high-crime 1990s, NYPD officers were stopping and frisking about 100,000 people annually.
But after Michael Bloomberg became mayor in 2002, the numbers skyrocketed under Police Commissioner Ray Kelly to 685,000 in 2011 until the public and the courts called for a federal police monitor and the creation of an NYPD inspector general.
Ultimately, Mayor Bill de Blasio was elected on a platform of dismantling aggressive policing.
Since then, the number of stop-and-frisks plunged to just 38,051 last year and to 7,135 through March this year, officials said.
‘Since the city has ceased stop-and-frisks, the NYPD needs to replace it with some other type of aggressive enforcement that targets the right people,’ one former top police official observed.
But that may not be enough given the swing in crime. And compounding matters is the sense that New York’s Finest have “taken a step back” fearing that “their every action is deemed to be overly aggressive,” the ex police official observed.”
Serious crimes are up. Shootings are up. Murders are up. Stop-and-frisk (actually, under Kelly, “stop-QUESTION-and frisks”) are down. The bad guys are having a field day, and those of us not playing ostrich are terrified to be on the streets.
And, yes, this “law-abiding citizen” would be happy to be stopped, questioned and, if appropriate, frisked “for the facade of increased safety” — since I’m not carrying a gun. Why should any law-abiding citizen *not* be willing to make that trade-off??
I don’t think the people who were shot, or whose innocent children were shot, felt any better knowing that they no longer had to answer police questions about whether they were carrying guns.
so the dispute is over racial profiling. do you want to bring racial profiling back?
let’s not make ludicrous statements like “the criminals are having a field day.” anyone who says anything like that sort of disqualifies themselves from the conversation.
“Façade” of increased safety? Pretty disingenuous of you. We were safer. Now we’re not. And by the way, much of the Mayor’s campaign platform was a reprimand of the NYPD, in which he DID promise to make a sea change in NYPD tactics. In so doing, the NYPD has “lightened up” on the crime fighting tools and tactics that worked so successfully for 20 years. And this is the result, like it or not.
Safety here fluctuates. Crime is up, then it’s down,then up and down again. I don’t think the stop and frisk has much to do with it. That’s all I have to say on that subject. It gets a bit tiresome reading the back and forth of a couple of posters on this issue. Enough said!
hurrah Debbie D!!! well said.
Paul RL says:
” “Façade” of increased safety? Pretty disingenuous of you.”
no, sir, it is you who are being disingenuous. Jerry gave an excellent analytical and rational discussion of the issue. You responded with one paragraph dissing him irresponsibly that had errors in almost every sentence. I’ll detail some of them.
Paul RL said: “We were safer. Now we’re not.”
not verified by facts — and an attempt to spread fear. almost all crimes were down last year, including murders. SOME crimes are up a little this year citywide. in the 24th precinct, overall serious crimes are up less than 2%, mainly driven by an increase in grand larceny, which are non-violent crimes such as pickpocketing. Burglary in the 24th down 35%; not a single murder this year in the 24th; felonious assault down 38%.
citywide overall crimes in the “serious crimes” list continue down almost 7% ytd. murders up, yes, 107 to 123.
we saw exactly these same variations, even worse, during the Bloomberg and Giuliani administrations. but someone it never led to fear mongering and hysteria.
Paul RL said:
“And by the way, much of the Mayor’s campaign platform was a reprimand of the NYPD, in which he DID promise to make a sea change in NYPD tactics.”
A total distortion. He never “reprimanded” NYPD, he “reprimanded” Bloomberg. And the “sea change” he promised — and delivered — was the end to racial profiling. nothing more nor less.
Paul RL said:
“In so doing, the NYPD has “lightened up” on the crime fighting tools and tactics that worked so successfully for 20 years.”
I’ve asked you again and again to name the “crime fighting tools and techniques” that the NYPD has “lightened up” on. And you can’t name them. Because there is only one… racial profiling in the implementation of “stop and frisk.” nothing else.
Stop and frisk continues, as you well know, only under constitutional guidelines. I have even quoted the NYPD guidelines here. the ONLY THING that was thrown out was racial profiling.
if you want to bring back racial profiling, then be honest enough to say so.
And please don’t try to insist, as you have done in the past, that De Blasio “turned his back” on the NYPD. he did nothing of the sort. Anyone who examines his statements after the Eric Garner verdict will see they were measured and responsible. It was the old-line PBA leadership that tried to stir things up.
apparently the issue of nationwide police mistreatment of African-Americans has been lost on you. this doesn’t mean that all police do it, or a majority. but it certainly is an issue, in NYC and elsewhere, and “props” to the Mayor for getting rid of the most grievous violation, racial profiling “stop and frisk.”
Lets be clear. These are tactics that you THINK are causing the drop in crime.
When you actually study policing, and this has been done, policies like stop and frisk do not actually impact the overall crime rate. They increase arrests and incarceration of minorities in a disproportional and racist way. They represent an unconstitutional illegal search.
So tell me again why they’re a good thing? Its because they never affected your privileged white family. Its because they make you feel safer at night in your affluent neighborhood that still boasts an extraordinarily low crime rate. Its because you never had to watch people you love assaulted, searched, and handcuffed when they did nothing other than walk down the street.
Just going to leave this here.
https://www.citylab.com/commute/2015/05/the-ultimate-map-of-new-yorks-mean-streets/394448/