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The Mitchum Star Guide for Upper West Side Pizza

May 11, 2026 | 12:26 PM
in ABSURDITY, ART, FOOD
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Sal & Carmine Pizza on the Upper West Side. Cartoons by Bob Eckstein.

By Bob Eckstein

Named after the actor Robert Mitchum, who famously loved pizza and beer, earning a Mitchum Star has always been elusive, especially since I just made it up. Yet speak to any pizza establishment on the Upper West Side and you’ll get blank stares.

Me and my culinary spy companion, Rich Robbins, reward pizza establishments with either three, two, one, or no Mitchum Stars. I am a New Yorker cartoonist and author. From 1998 to 2004, I ate only pizza, bananas, and Met-Rx bars. Rich is an active member of the Upper West Side community, comes from a pedigree of food critics (Rich’s daughter wrote food columns for WSR) and was once famously quoted, “Pizza is like jazz—even if it’s not world class, it’s still great.” Before we started, we each tried to get physicals and approvals from our respective doctors. We are planning to eat as much pizza as possible, anyway.

Our evaluation process, one would think, would be based on quality, technique, mastery of flavor, and consistency. That’s the Michelin Star. A Mitchum Star is really about two simple intangibles; What is the pizza’s personality? How many pizza joints would you pass to get to this place?

We focused on three noted pizza destinations, which often find themselves in the thick of the who-is-the-greatest-slice-on-the-Upper-West-Side debate. Sal & Carmine Pizza, Bosino, and Mama’s TOO.

To not call attention to our mission and receive any special treatment, we acted as normal customers—this is often the hardest part of our job for us. To remain anonymous, we took on fake names. Rich used my name, and I, his (and we sometimes wear disguises).

Bosino was kind enough to let Rich (me) and myself (now Rich) bring slices from outside pizza establishments to conduct our lab work. Again, to not call attention to ourselves, we ate the pizza like humans, instead of doing it the official tasting way, of taking two bites and spitting it out.

Sal & Carmine Pizza (2671 Broadway): We agreed, we should see it as it’s own thing, utility pizza. It is tasty enough, a filling meal, and just trying to be pizza. We should add, we hate when pizza connoisseurs pontificate about sauce, crust, blah, blah, blah. So, we’re not. That said, this pizza is like an old friend. We are awarding it two stars, one for Sal. And one for Carmine. (Neither are there anymore.) ⭐️⭐️

Bosino (201 W 103rd St.):  Of the three locations, this is the place you would want to sit down to eat and not take out. Even the chef, Davide, acknowledged that ordering pie is a different playing field than getting a slice. Expectations are different. While recognizing Bosino’s home-field advantage, the pizza is just better. This pizza tasted homemade, fresh, and even smelled great. We gave it three Mitchum Stars because three is the most we give. ⭐️⭐️⭐️

Mama’s TOO (2750 Broadway): The best thing about Mama’s TOO is you can keep going back and not get tired of eating pizza there. They have a spectacular range of choices you can clearly see and most everything looks irresistible. The Bruschetta Sicilian slice, an unpredictable, delightful blend of flavors, was much better than their House Slice. ⭐️⭐️ 1/2

We will leave it at that and concludes us handing out our first Mitchum Stars—who needs to read more about pizza? As a famous Upper West Sider once said, “You’re all winners.” The only thing we know for sure is that there will be a lot of angry, and passionate, responses on the WSR comment board.

About the cartoonist: Bob Eckstein is a writer, illustrator, author, and contributor of cartoons to The New Yorker and West Side Rag. Check out his popular newsletter, The Bob, and Read the Rag’s Q & A with him — HERE.

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45 Comments
Sturgeon General
Sturgeon General
23 days ago

Grades seem accurate +/- 3 stars. If only you mentioned that you went between pizza shops via bicycle, you could’ve set the WSR comment record

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neighbor
neighbor
22 days ago
Reply to  Sturgeon General

They’d have to put in something about ex-Absolute, too, to get that record!

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RCP
RCP
23 days ago

Maybe Mama’s Too should now change it’s name to Mama’s TOO and a Half?

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chuck D
chuck D
23 days ago

Sal and Carmine’s definitely has lost its cache. Too sweet, not good enough. I like Marinara better, but honestly we need a great slice place up here.

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BillyBob
BillyBob
22 days ago
Reply to  chuck D

I’ve always found S & C’s to be on the salty side.

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Melanie Puhdy
Melanie Puhdy
22 days ago
Reply to  chuck D

Sal and Carmine’s went down the toilet since the owners do not go there anymore. I think they stay in Jersey now.

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Jack
Jack
21 days ago
Reply to  Melanie Puhdy

If you’re referring to Sal and Carmine as the owners, there’s a good reason they don’t come in anymore. They’re both dead. Sal has been dead for 17 years.

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Pizza Snob
Pizza Snob
23 days ago
Reply to  chuck D

I want the Pizza Box in Greenwich Village to open up a UWS location, the owners are UWS residents!

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Mark Moore
Mark Moore
23 days ago
Reply to  chuck D

I definitely agree it’s too sweet. Fact is there really aren’t any good slice places around here just fancy individual pies.

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Josh
Josh
22 days ago
Reply to  Mark Moore

I grabbed a slice from them once. It was way too salty. Haven’t gotten one since.

Mama’s Too is good, but too kitschy for me. They just try TOO hard.

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Beate Uhse
Beate Uhse
23 days ago

The UWS doesn’t have good pizza!

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Ian Alterman
Ian Alterman
22 days ago
Reply to  Beate Uhse

Depends on what you like in a pizza. There are actually quite a few good pizza parlors, offering different types of pizza, on the UWS.

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Marie
Marie
22 days ago
Reply to  Beate Uhse

You must be real fun to go out with! 😆

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Ish Kabibble
Ish Kabibble
22 days ago
Reply to  Beate Uhse

That’s just silly.

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Beate Uhse
Beate Uhse
22 days ago
Reply to  Ish Kabibble

Maybe UWSers should humble themselves and admit that other neighborhoods have better pizza than they do!

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Jubilee
Jubilee
22 days ago

I’m wondering (and thinking) if you leave a cartoon print for the business ? Maybe a little one framed in a simple wood frame ? It could become quite a thing..(please let me know if this already exists !!)

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Liz
Liz
22 days ago

What about Motorino? I think that’s a keeper…

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BillyBob
BillyBob
22 days ago
Reply to  Liz

Meh.

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Sandro
Sandro
22 days ago

Made in NY Pizza is closest to Joe’s on the UWS. Thin, airy, crust forward. This is a good thing.

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BillyBob
BillyBob
22 days ago
Reply to  Sandro

MINY was fantastic when they first opened on Amsterdam and 81, but they’ve opened a bunch of stores and not the same anymore. I recently ordered a pie from them and it was doughy and under-seasoned. Very disappointing.
I much perfer Pizza Pete’s on Columbus & 86 or Mimi’s on Broadway & 88th. And of course Mana’s Too is amazing.

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Sandro
Sandro
21 days ago
Reply to  BillyBob

I’ve ordered regular pies (vodka, marg, regular with toppings) several times from MINY 96th and B’way and it’s always been great. Outstanding eggplant pie with whole eggplant slices. Mamma’s Too’s regular pie (not the squares) is overcooked and crackery by comparison, I find

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Jean
Jean
22 days ago

What a delightful review!

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NYCNAT
NYCNAT
22 days ago

Why post grades when everyone has their own faves? I disagree (strongly) with your conclusion that Sal’s (my fave since age five) is less good than Mama’s Too (for me, either “too much” (square, too heavy) or “too little” (trad slice, excessive dry crust). The vodka slice at Upside is pretty good. Made in NY hits the spot sometimes. V&T works for cheese lovers. Let’s celebrate them all.

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UWS40
UWS40
22 days ago

The only authentic pizza the UWS ever had was Vinny’s. They were from Brooklyn.

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Jay Bassell
Jay Bassell
22 days ago

Why is Cheesy Pizza never mentioned in any of your articles. If you love pizza for the cheese, try it. you’ll like it.

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Sandro
Sandro
21 days ago
Reply to  Jay Bassell

Cheesy has gotten better while effectively altering its pie style. Used to be much doughier. Now crisper and “lower” (less bread content)

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Roget
Roget
22 days ago
Reply to  Jay Bassell

I agree! I order from there once a week! Best one I have found. Just wish the name wasn’t so cheesy😁

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Lisa
Lisa
22 days ago

I would agree, Sal and Carmine’s is one of the best Pizzas around. It reminds me of the Pizza when I grew up with in Brooklyn.

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neighbor
neighbor
22 days ago
Reply to  Lisa

LOL, it reminds me of the pizza I grew up with – Sal’s, on 95th Street.

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David F
David F
22 days ago

Since you are already at 105th, you might as well head to Upside Pizza on 112th and Broadway. Killer slices.

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Sandro
Sandro
21 days ago
Reply to  David F

Walked by many times and still need to try

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Russell
Russell
22 days ago

I like all three. Love the pizza at mamas too but not the service. Bosino’s worth it but often theirs a wait. Sal and Carmines is great for when you only have a few dollars or want something quick. It’s very satisfying after a late night workout. The regular slice is best a Sal and Carmines second is the Margarita Slice.

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Professional
Professional
22 days ago

Freddie & Peppers!

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Ian Alterman
Ian Alterman
22 days ago

Pizza, like art, is subjective. Crust can be thin or thick, hard or soft, crispy or chewy. Sauce can be tangy, sweet, or anything in between. Cheese can be thin or thick, “crispy” or gooey.

That is why any and all pizza ratings are hopelessly subjective, and mean nothing to most people.

People like what they like in a pizza, and nothing is going to make them like a pizza that ends up #1 on a given list, just because some random person or persons happen to like it best.

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next door
next door
22 days ago

Verdello for me

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BillyBob
BillyBob
22 days ago

Love these drawings BOB!!! A book of NYC pizza places would be great.

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neighbor
neighbor
22 days ago

I must be the only person on the UWS who totally does not get the hype about Mama’s Too. I like my pizza to be pizza – cheesy, good tomato sauce, and maybe some mushrooms or olives. I lean vegetarian, otherwise sausage or pepperoni would be fine too.

I do not want fruit of any sort on my pizza.

I do not want chicken on my pizza.

I do not want any of the other stuff they put on their squares of pizza.

I like my pizza in wedges that you fold in half, and try to manage the cheese that stretches out as you take your first bite.

I’m not keen on long lines for my pizza, either.

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DenaliBoy
DenaliBoy
22 days ago
Reply to  neighbor

I agree 100%

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Christofer
Christofer
22 days ago

Why did Two Boots not last here? No capisco.

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DJL
DJL
22 days ago

I feel like Pizza Collective on 71st and Broadway is massively underrated. The crust is fresh, airy and delicious, they do unusual, delicious flavors with premium ingredients, and the price for what you’re getting is terrific. I always say they’re not the best “New York slice” but they’re my favorite slice in New York.

Last edited 22 days ago by DJL
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MDF
MDF
21 days ago
Reply to  DJL

Love their caccio e pepe slices!

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William P
William P
22 days ago

Sal and Carmine’s lost a lot after the passing of both of them. It stopped being “pizza made with love” by family members and became “pizza made by the employees”

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Tina F
Tina F
21 days ago

No good deed goes unpunished.
You’ve opened yourself up to a whooole lota trouble here.
So, for me? Once my friends from Philly tasted Sal & Carmine’s, I was never angain allowed to visit them without a pie.
It’s no “mama’s too” with its crazy, unnecessary iterations, it’s simply The Best Pizza. It is basic. It is Perfect: Crust. Sauce. Cheese. Ratio. Pizza can become a pile of many other extraneous things:
if you want purebred pizza? Sal & Carmine’s it is.

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Tom
Tom
20 days ago

Bravo great article

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El Mon
El Mon
20 days ago

Freddy and Pepper’s!

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