By Ellen Jovin
In my line of work, I meet a lot of people who yell at televisions. I know this because they tell me about it. There are numerous things one could yell at televisions about these days, but I am talking about the subset of yelling that is directed at (perceived) grammatical errors committed on air.
If you are a person who enjoys yelling at your television, please carry on. We all have our hobbies.
But what if the object of one’s ire is not an object but a person? What is the etiquette of correcting other people’s grammar in real life?
I personally don’t correct people. I regularly receive email in which correspondents tell me I am welcome to correct their grammar, and I never ever take them up on it. That’s simply not my idea of a good time.
If someone were a student in a class I was teaching or a direct report of mine at work, then I would feel a responsibility for that person’s training. Professional development is a responsibility of a manager. Education is the responsibility of teachers and parents.
But what if your corrections are, say, more recreational in nature? Here are some questions to consider before correcting someone’s language use:
- Are you actually right?
- Might you want to have a pleasant relationship with this person in the future?
- Do you receive too many social invitations, and are you seeking an efficient way to reduce them?
The first point above may seem obvious, but the correlation between grammar confidence and grammar knowledge is poor, and there is room for debate on many language points. The things people complain about most bitterly in email to me are often not mistakes at all—while the complaints themselves often contain multiple unmistakable mistakes.
Please note that your obligation to be correct increases in proportion to how pedantically you make a particular correction.
In business contexts, I have encountered countless complaints about passive voice when there is no passive voice in sight. How many of these sentences include passive?
- Ogden was riding a unicycle.
- Ogden was tired.
- Ogden was interrupted five times during his presentation on prepositions.
Since West Side Rag readers include a whole lot of grammar nerds, I’ll leave this discussion for the comments section.
If you read broadly across English dialects and eras, you will see variety. If language didn’t change, there’d be more people lying on the beach reading Chaucer right now. Beautiful, varied, evolving language swirls all around us. If your focus is pinning down tiny bug-sized details, you might squash some butterflies.
Grammar points are often oversimplified or misapplied. Many people were taught to use possessives in front of gerunds, which are ing forms operating as nouns. For example: “I appreciate your helping me with the snake diorama.” I would say that myself, even though I have sometimes found such constructions fussy, but ing forms don’t have to be nouns.
Is “doing” a noun in this next example? “He took a photo of (me, my) doing a triple cartwheel.” What would you say there?
I’ve been informed many times that the use of “that” to refer to people is disrespectful and incorrect. But in The Great Gatsby, F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote, “Everyone suspects himself of at least one of the cardinal virtues, and this is mine: I am one of the few honest people that I have ever known.” I say Fitzgerald gets to pick his preferred relative pronoun.
What’s wrong in one dialect can be right in another. The Wikipedia entry for Queen begins with “Queen are a British rock band formed in London in 1970.” That plural verb sounds wrong to most Americans, but it is not an error in the UK, where the Who are also regularly conjugated with plural verbs. In this country, we overpolice conjugations with collective nouns, which are nouns that are singular in form but plural in concept. Would you go singular or plural in “A pack of dogs (has, have) stolen my liverwurst sandwich”?
Like many adults, I was taught to conjugate my verb with the collective noun “pack” and make the verb singular: “has.” But I experience the liverwurst-stealing dogs plurally. Why can’t I go plural with “pack” if I like? That’s called notional agreement, and I am a fan.
If you insisted on a singular verb there, would you also pick “its” in “The couple couldn’t find (its, their) car keys”?
The language world is complicated. Having a little humility about the limitations of one’s knowledge and experience is a good thing. And it might make watching TV grammar more relaxing.
Still, if all you really want is for people to stop inviting you to parties, correct them more, starting today! You’re welcome!
Ellen Jovin is the author of the national bestseller Rebel with a Clause and the subject of a new docu-comedy by Brandt Johnson, also called Rebel with a Clause, which is currently in residence at New Plaza Cinema on the Upper West Side and playing at theaters around the country. A complete collection of her columns for the WSR can be found on her author page — HERE.
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Is “doing” a noun in this next example? “He took a photo of _____ (me, my) doing a triple cartwheel.” What would you say there?
Good question. I would say “He took a picture of me as I was doing a triple cartwheel.” The small addition makes it easier to visualize the scene, and “doing,” which can be either a noun or a verb, is clearly used as a verb. “My doing a triple cartwheel?” Nah. Sometimes, IMHO, the sound helps determine which construction to use, and “my doing a triple cartwheel” trips awkwardly on its way off the tongue. (As I would trip awkwardly attempting a triple cartwheel.)
I would just be happy if people stopped using “everyday” when they mean “every day” and stop using “lead” as the past tense of “lead” which is, properly, “led.”
Smarter words.
(From the new 5th edition of Garner’s Modern English Usage.)
every day,
every day, adv.; everyday, adj. One tries to accomplish something every day; but an everyday feat would hardly be an accomplishment. The two are often confused—e.g.:
“But what of the phrase ‘per stirpes,’ symbolic here of the hundreds of Latin and law French words still used everyday [read every day] by fully modernized American lawyers whose penchant for foreign languages probably extends no further?” Richard Weisberg, When Lawyers Write 99 (1987).
“We are confronted everyday [read every day] with having to decide exactly what they cover.” Ronald Wardhaugh, Proper English: Myths and Misunderstandings About Language 21 (1999).
Unless it’s the beginning of the story, then it’s the lede.
This column seems to have been written especially for me. Did the columnist hear me yelling at my TV? I too, restrain myself when I hear other people make grammatical mistakes. Teaching is an excellent outlet for the urge to correct. I hope that when the writer gets a written invitation, she is not asked to “please RSVP,” which is a redundant request.
I am driven to distraction by the number of times per day I see advertisements, or hear them, or hear a broadcaster referring to people “that … .” It’s everywhere now and I can’t understand why. When did a person become an object or an animal?
I say Fitzgerald’s transgression in the quoted sentence was to use a relative pronoun there at all. Who needs it?
I WISH people would stop using the word “lay” instead of “lie”. Tired of hearing “I’m going to lay down for a while.”
I never correct them.
Brava!
What about ending a sentence with “at?” That one drives me insane. Instead of “where will you be at?”, how about “where will you be?” So simple!
Like the film, she’s just great!
Which would you use following ‘different?’
e.g. The current situation if different . . . (from, than, to) the previous one.
I have been noticing some changing in usage of late and curious to hear some opinions.
Isn’t it “from” ?
Yes, it’s different from. But I think the Brits say “different to”
In my book it still is.
My biggest grammatical beef right now is the disappearance of the adverb. The suffix “-ly” has all but completely disappeared from the language: in TV ads, in TV news reports, in TV/film scripts, etc.
Also, incorrect elision has become rampant: in the Perdue ads, in which they use the word “antibiotics,” the sons say “annabiotics” and the father simply says, “annabotics.” And there are many more examples.
And I agree with Sam Katz: since when did a person become a “that” and not a “who?” (“I know a person that…” “There are lots of people that…”)
Too many people have just become incredibly lazy with language. And don’t get me started on punctuation! (And I’m not just referring to the Oxford comma.) Not knowing when to use the semi-colon, colon, em dash, en dash, hyphens, etc. It is an epidemic!
To borrow an old Eric Partridge title, you have a point there!
Thank you for making me laugh this morning. Right about where you talked about The Who. I was imagining Daltrey and Townshend singing, “Who……..is you!” I’m finally getting to see them at the Garden on Aug. 30th. Pronunciation is your cousin-in-law. Once I threw a piece of food at my TV when a local news commentator mispronounced the Led ZePELLin group. But then again, I’ve never been to Trump’s YOsemite National Park.
Me and him’s English is, like, no problem!
Unless you’re asked to, correcting someone’s grammar is pedantic and in poor form, especially during casual conversation. Don’t be that person.
My mind just took me to the Seinfeld episode where George’s girlfriend said a writer was pedantic. George’s emphatic response was, “He can be pedantic. He can be pedantic”.
Hearing someone start a sentence with “So…” drives me bonkers. Even newscasters, politicians, and educators have taken to doing this. Please do not let this be the norm now!!!!!!!!
About this usage I can only say, “So what?”
The backstory so is a staple in my circles.
“So what” is fine with me, too. I love that reply to a comment or a look. I just can’t comprehend the reason for beginning a sentence with “So”, followed by a statement. “How did you find this artifact, Mr. Jones?” “So, I went to the abandoned house and just looked around.” It’s in that type of context I find the use of that word so, so, so annoying.
Ah, the intensifier so — another exception to the rule, I trust.
Do you find filler words in general this annoying?
“Is ‘doing’ a noun in this next example? ‘He took a photo of _____ (me, my) doing a triple cartwheel.’ What would you say there?”
Well, I would say that “He took a photo of _____ (me, my) doing a triple cartwheel” is a fine example to use to demonstrate what a participle is–a verb form that can have other grammatical functions in addition to being used as a verb. Here the present participle is functioning as an adjective–it describes “me.” In the sentence, “I appreciate your helping me with the snake diorama” the present participle “helping” functions as a noun to name the action that the speaker appreciates, and possessive articles (well, okay, adjectives) precede nouns. In my sentence, “Yes, I am being pedantic,” the present participle “being” is part of the compound verb–present progressive–to indicate that I just keep on keeping on with the pedantry well after retiring from classroom teaching.
May I chime in with the misuse of “reticent” when “reluctant” would be the correct word? The frequency of misuse of “reticent” among television reporters and broadcasters is remarkable, to say the least. “Reticent” means “quiet, or, at times, reluctant to speak”). My brother’s reticence has militated against his promotion opportunities at work. Or, far from being reticent, Captain Ahab was a voluble blasphemer, especially when expounding upon the bane of his existence, the White Whale, Moby Dick.”
“Since West Side Rag readers include a whole lot of grammar nerds, I’ll leave this discussion for the comments section.”
I would prefer “Since West Side Rag readership includes a whole lot of grammar nerds, …”
-or-
“Since West Side Rag readers comprise a whole lot of grammar nerds, …”
Did no one take up the invitation to discuss passive voice? I’m pretty sure it’s 3. The issue with passive voice can be concealing agency – who did the interrupting?
My own latest cringe was a sign asking people to keep a business’s door closed because the AC was doing “it’s” best.
Yes, that’s right: #3.
Has anyone commented on poor Ogden yet?
I think that the third sentence is in the passive voice. The first two are things that Ogden did.
The third is something others did to Ogden.
Yes, the third one contains passive voice!