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Updated: ‘When You Know, You Know’: Upper West Siders Share Stories of Lasting Love

September 24, 2024 | 9:37 AM - Updated on September 25, 2024 | 11:01 AM
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By Liza Cooper

As a love and dating coach, I speak regularly with singles who are searching for love or are in the early stages of dating.

Every week, I go out into the streets of the Upper West Side, carrying a big red sign, asking strangers for their burning questions about love, dating, and relationships.

Many passersby are more than willing to share their romantic questions and quandaries with me. 

Recently, I met a woman named Katia, chatting with her friend outside a café on West 72nd Street. Her friend didn’t want to talk about love, but Katia did. She posed one of the questions I am most frequently asked by singles in the dating world.

Katia, age 32, single: I recently started dating someone. How do I know if I am with the right person? 

The Love Coach (TLC): One of the most important things to notice is how that person makes you feel. 

Katia: I feel excited when I’m with him. He’s open to feedback and communicates well, so that makes me comfortable to speak up. It feels promising, but can I tell if he is the one after only six or seven dates?

“How did you know?”

After my conversation with Katia, I interviewed a variety of Upper West Side couples about their relationships, and posed a version of Katia’s question. Last Saturday, I spent the afternoon at the West 104th Street Yard Sale asking random couples: “How did you know?”

Corey, 38, and Emma, 36 

Emma: On our first date, we talked until 4 a.m., even though he had a marathon early the next day. 

Corey: How could I leave? I wanted to talk to her all night. 

TLC: That’s beautiful, chemistry from the start. How did you know this was the real deal? 

Corey: In past relationships, I was slow to meet a girlfriend’s family or to use the L word. With her, I broke all those rules, because everything was easy and fun. She had two dogs and that was the icing on the cake. 

Emma: Something traumatic happened to us, too. We lost a pregnancy early in our courtship, and he took care of me, so that I could heal. His support meant everything. 

TLC: When you go through hardship together, how your partner shows up tells you a lot. 

Emma: Before I met him, I struggled to find someone I clicked with. People would tell me, ‘When you know, you know.’ That drove me crazy, because I never experienced it. But I realize the saying is true, because with Corey I just knew. 

Joe and Ruth, second grade

Ruth and Joe, 59

Ruth: We grew up a few blocks from one another, went to the same schools from when we were 5 to 18 years old, but we were in different social circles. 

Joe: Admittedly, I had a crush on her from kindergarten on, but didn’t have the courage to act on it.

Ruth: We finally met and spoke at a high school reunion years later. We were 52! We’ve been together ever since. 

TLC: How did you know this guy from kindergarten was for you?

Ruth: That’s a crazy story. We planned our first date, but a tragedy in my family made me cancel. He was there for me, even before our first date. I knew he was special. 

TLC: That speaks volumes. What are the qualities you love about one another now?

Joe: She’s a strong woman, and I was attracted to her since we were kids. We like the same things.

Ruth: But we are opposites (laughs), in everything, including politics!

TLC: Different politics! How do you navigate that?

Ruth: We don’t talk about it! I’m hot-headed and have a terrible temper. He stays calm, and never gets angry. He was kind from the start. 

TLC: Wonderful traits. What’s your tip for singles who want what you found?

Ruth: We were 52 when we fell in love. Never give up on finding someone and go to that reunion!

Simon, 47, and Sarah, 43

Simon: I had just come back from an extravagant adventure in Madagascar and was in peak bachelor mode. As a producer, I was invited to a press conference for Erykah Badu [an American singer-songwriter] at the Montreal Jazz Festival. The only seat available was in the front next to this gorgeous woman. I sat down and said, “Do I know you from somewhere?”

Sarah: I didn’t even look up. He started telling me about Madagascar, which he said was ‘sexy’. That piqued my interest. 

Simon: Then, a lot of people rushed in with Erykah, and Sarah vanished into the crowd. I was crushed.

Sarah: Then I saw him later and my heart dropped, because we had a connection. He was a charming, forward New Yorker, so different from the men in Montreal

TLC: What made this the relationship you both wanted?

Simon: There is a telepathy between us. As someone who has dated extensively, I know that is very rare. She is the sexiest woman alive and has this massive vinyl collection of all the jazz and blues artists that I studied – so she’s like a fantasy character that I dreamed up. 

Sarah: He is this perfect balance between playful child and mature man.

TLC:Two endearing qualities to find in the same human.

Simon: We met because of jazz, and now we are a jazz powerhouse couple.

Sarah: I had vowed to never remarry, but a year and a half after my divorce, I was married to this guy.

Edafe, 34, and Nick, 34

TLC: When did you know this was it?

Nick: We were walking around McCarren Park in Brooklyn and joking around. I realized I could spend the rest of my life with Edafe, because we had fun together. 

Edafe: For me, it was a different moment. I was washing dishes during the pandemic and said to him, “We should get married.” Everyone was breaking up around us, but we became stronger as a couple. During that time, I lost my father. Nick supported me. That’s what love is – having somebody to rely on when you are in need. 

TLC: Joy and caring – you have both. 

Edafe: Society tells us love should be watching sunsets, things like that. But it’s about improving together and being there for one another day after day through the routine, and through challenges. He did those things for me. 

TLC: What did it mean to feel supported by Nick through all of that?

Edafe: If he didn’t leave me during those hard times, he would never leave. I knew he was my person. 

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Editor’s note: The final couple was added shortly after publication, when their picture arrived.

Liza Cooper is a Love & Dating Coach. If you have questions or quandaries for her, please put them in the comments.

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Steven Stern
Steven Stern
1 year ago

Only straight people Fall in Love? Were willing to talk? Do not exist in Ms. Cooper’s world.

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West Side Rag
1 year ago
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See updated article!

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  West Side Rag

Thank you for including that wonderful interview once the photo arrived!

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Steven Stern

Not at all! My apologies. I interviewed many couples from the LGBTQ+ community and it happened they did not pose for photographs or choose to. Past articles reflected more diversity, and I’m sorry this one did not. We will make sure future ones do! Thank you for your comment.

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West Side Rag
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West Side Rag
1 year ago
Reply to  Steven Stern

Do not blame the writer who interviewed several gay couples! We left them out because no pictures were available. In retrospect a bad judgement. The omission will be rectified in the future.

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OPOE
OPOE
1 year ago
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And don’t forget people in Trans relationships.

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  OPOE

Absolutely! I am interviewing everyone that approaches and will be certain that diversity and inclusion are reflected in all of the columns. Thank you for your comment.

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Sabo
Sabo
1 year ago
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Do not forget relationships between Upper West Siders and those that work here!

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
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Great point!

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Peter
Peter
1 year ago

Sorry to be red-teaming all the hope and light here, but why in the world would anyone think, or even hope, to *know” if someone is THE ONE after six or seven dates?

If “THE ONE” implies a lifetime commitment (or the hope of a lasting one), you haven’t experienced anything together after a few dates, let alone anything remotely resembling a trial or hardship, to know how they/you would handle it together. A couple of nice dinners, walks, etc. – or even introducing them to friends – can probably tell you whether or not you should keep going… but not more.

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Hazuki
Hazuki
1 year ago
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It can happen. When I met my wife, I knew within the first month. We were married a year later and that was 20 years ago. Now with two kids living in the UWS for the last 12 years.

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Hazuki

What a beautiful love story! So glad “when you know” was true for you!

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UWS Hinge user
UWS Hinge user
1 year ago
Reply to  Peter

Most Manhattanites expect to have a spark meeting someone for the first time. App users are very judgmental. The worst part of it is finding a good career connection and them not being interested in staying in touch with you if nothing works out romantically.

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  UWS Hinge user

It’s true that people put much too much significance on initial sparks when those can quickly fade. How a person makes you feel, humor, shared interests, kindness, enthusiasm to spend time together are all much more important, meaningful and lasting.

It’s also nice if you can stay friendly with people you date!

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UWS Hinge user
UWS Hinge user
1 year ago
Reply to  Liza Cooper

I have met people that I knew I was not interested in romantically but wanted the career connection. Specifically I have met people higher up in an industry I am interested in and more well connected than I am and it did not pan out. On the other hand, I made wonderful friends off Hinge who encouraged me to be in the industry I am in.

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
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Any connection has the potential to lead to something more in life. Always head in with an open mind. Even one conversation can touch you and change your direction! Thank you for your comment.

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Lllll
Lllll
1 year ago

These were beautiful stories and happy they are happy

However. “When you know, you know” is not true. I KNEW someone was right. Felt it in my bones. It ended badly. My friend had the same experience as me, and is now very happily engaged to someone else. What is different between this guy and the last is that he is there for her and is honest and accountable when he does make mistakes.

A relationship works when there is chemistry, shared and,/or compatible values, is accountable, and the person shows up when and how you need them to.

That is what all these stories have in common and congrats to all of them.

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Lllll

I’m so sorry for the disappointment of knowing and then discovering someone was not who you thought. It is true that this can happen, and “when you know, you know” is true for some but not a universal truth. I love your listed ingredients for a healthy relationship – so impeccably spot on.

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Lauren
Lauren
1 year ago

Love these stories and this column! Hooray for love!

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
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Thank you for your lovely comment!

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Lori
Lori
1 year ago

Love your column!

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
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I’m delighted to hear! Please share any questions you have about dating, love, or relationships!

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Daria
Daria
1 year ago

Love this weekly feature on love! Having participated in one of Liza’s Find Love after 50 workshops I know what an amazing interviewer and facilitator she is! It’s no surprise people would open up to Liza and share such wonderful perspectives and inspiring stories!

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Daria

Thank you so much for this beautiful comment! It was wonderful having you in the series. Someone will be lucky to find you.

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Randy
Randy
1 year ago

Another great read from “The Love Coach” of the UWS. I found the love of my life, but thoroughly enjoy reading your stories about love, dating, and relationships. I look forward to your articles in WSR. We all need a little love in our lives. Keep up the great work, Liza!

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
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Aw thank you for this gracious comment. It’s so nice to hear that the stories mean so much even when you are with the love of your life!

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Libby
Libby
1 year ago

These stories are beautiful and really give this single 43 year old hope! Keep ‘em coming!

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Liza Cooper
Liza Cooper
1 year ago
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So happy you enjoyed them. There is much love to be had. You will find yours very soon!

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