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    Updated: Teenager Punched Outside 72nd Street Subway Station

    Rowdy behavior may have preceded the incident

    August 8, 2023 | 8:00 PM
    in CRIME, NEWS
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    By Daniel Katzive

    A 15-year old girl was punched in the face near the 72nd Street and Broadway subway station Monday night. The suspected assailant was arrested at the scene.

    According to the NYPD, the attack occurred at around 8:15 p.m. No information was available on what may have precipitated the incident, but police did confirm that the suspect and the victim did not know each other.

    Paul Rocker, 51-years old, of 644 Riverside Drive (at 142nd Street) was charged with third degree assault, according to police. The victim was brought to an area hospital.

    A passerby told WSR there was a heavy police response to the scene.

    Update, August 8, 8:05 p.m.:

    A man who was on an uptown 2 train with the parties involved in the incident told WSR in a phone interview that a group of teenagers had been behaving in a rowdy manner, pushing each other into other passengers, seemingly intentionally. A woman was jostled and this may have angered the man suspected in the assault, said the eyewitness. The suspect was later followed out of the station by the group of teenagers, who were yelling at him, according to the eyewitness, who heard him shouting back, “you have a knife,” though he saw no knife, nor did he see the actual punch. A WSR commenter corroborated his story, noting he also saw teenagers following the man and that one of the teenagers was handcuffed, though the police had no record of additional arrests nor of the teens’ alleged behavior. We will update as more details emerge.

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    57 Comments
    neighbor785
    neighbor785
    3 years ago

    I am glad that the suspect was arrested at the scene. How terrible for the teen.

    My understanding is that third degree assault is not a “bailable” offense. I am supposing that Mr. Rocker will have a court date in the future but for now was released.

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    Joey
    Joey
    3 years ago
    Reply to  neighbor785

    The update leads one to believe there was something else going on here. A group of teenagers acting in a rowdy manner on the subway? Could it be that the arrested was actually the victim here? Could this be a miscarriage of justice?

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    Peter
    Peter
    3 years ago
    Reply to  neighbor785

    It’s no bail. It’s amazing how people don’t understand what ending mass incarceration and ‘reimaging” public safety means. This is what people “peacefully’ protested for.

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    Sarah
    Sarah
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Peter

    And if they had set bail, a well-off person would simply have paid it and walked out. How exactly does *that* promote public safety?

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    So tired
    So tired
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Sarah

    Sure, then keep both rich and poor assailants in jail. Lowering the bar for all criminals is not the best way to go for “equity”

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    Josh
    Josh
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Peter

    There is a difference between mass incarceration and bail reform. Why is it that people seem to not understand what the purpose of bail is? And why do people not understand that bail vs. no bail has nothing to do with the punishment for a crime? Why is there this constant argument that bail reform has resulted in people not being punished for crimes? Is it purposeful neglect of learning? Is it brainwashing from certain sources/talking points?

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    Mandy W
    Mandy W
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Peter

    Good point – many readers do not understand the bail/no bail – released/jailed continuum. WSR -or an informed reader – might do a public service by providing a chart of reasons for arrest and likely consequences, these days. E.g if this was “assault without serious injury” and the assaulter doesn’t have a record of doing this before, is he released, or held? If a jaw was broken – and there is a record = held, right? (Or at least electronically monitored.) I feel stupid, but tried to look this up – and couldn’t find a straightforward site. Any suggestions welcome.

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    Katherine
    Katherine
    3 years ago

    Another day, another woman punched in the face unprovoked by an unstable, violent man. Remember when this used to be a safe neighborhood just a handful of years ago?

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    Chris
    Chris
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    I get the statistics, but the neighborhood is most definitely seedier and creepier than it was pre-pandemic.

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    Josh
    Josh
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    With the update, it sounds like there was more to the story than the conclusions to which many jumped.

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    John
    John
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    The UWS seems like one of the safest neighborhoods in the city to me. I’ve lived here for a decade and my neighborhood is thriving—and not much seems to have changed for the worse—but YMMV.

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    Katherine
    Katherine
    3 years ago
    Reply to  John

    It’s always telling to see these kinds of comments coming from users with male names. It’s the same story in every comment section. Posts saying that crime is down in the neighborhood a safe come from users with names like John, Josh, Roger, and the like. Whereas posts saying that they feel unsafe walking in the neighborhood these days usually come from users with female names. We live in entirely different realities.

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    David S
    David S
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    Here’s a reply from yet another user with a male name. I’m not sure how old you are, or where you grew up, but I grew up in NYC and I’m old enough to remember when crime was many times worse than it is today. Here’s a fact: quality of life crimes (like all the bicycle/e-bike/scooter violations), and low-level property crimes like shoplifting are without doubt up significantly compared to a few years ago. Such crimes make a neighborhood look and feel seedy and can contribute to a feeling that it’s unsafe. Unfortunately, the NYPD seems to think it’s no longer their job to enforce the laws against such activities, so they’re not going away anytime soon. But here’s another fact: any increase in violent crime and other felony-level crimes are a mere blip on the radar compared to the late 1980s.

    What we do have is a difference in how crimes are reported. In 1989, an article about an assault like the one above , if covered at all, would have appeared on page 5 of the Daily News and possibly in a 30-second segment on WPIX News. If you didn’t read page 5 of the Daily News or watch the local news that day, you would have no knowledge of it. Today, such an article would be shared on sites like the West Side Rag*, and in social media, often with inflammatory or alarmist commentary surrounding it. And such coverage is accessible forever, unlike with print or broadcast news.

    *I’m not criticizing the Rag for publishing this story. That’s their job and they do it well. But such coverage is part of the reason why perception of crime rates is different today than before the Internet.

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    UWS-er
    UWS-er
    3 years ago
    Reply to  David S

    Thank you for this comment. This explanation makes a lot of sense. We all walk around the neighborhood seeing more drug use, obvious signs of mental illness and homelessness, and e-bikes and mopeds ignoring all laws and nearly running us down. It’s easy to feel that things are out of control and more dangerous than ever. But in the 80s and 90s the chances of being robbed at gunpoint or caught in crossfire was vastly higher than it is now. Groups of people roamed the subways robbing passengers. Entire areas of the city were no-go zones because they were so dangerous.

    That doesn’t mean things aren’t dangerous now. Random assaults by mentally ill people shouldn’t be tolerated. But like this commenter notes, in the past we’d never even hear about these kinds of crimes. Now we read them constantly, which adds to the perception that things are “worse than ever.”

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    Rebecca
    Rebecca
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    I am a petite Orthodox Jewish woman who has lived on 78th Street for almost 15 years, and I agree with John! I love the UWS and have never felt unsafe here. Of course your opinion is just as valid as mine! My biggest concerns these days are the motor scooters that seem to have proliferated over the last few years, but I guess all things considered I have much to be thankful for living in such a vibrant neighborhood! Just wanted to give my counter-opinion to what seems like a lot of doom and gloom here.

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    good humor
    good humor
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    i agree with you. I’m a male, but due to my daily schedule feel far less safe than I did in 2019. WSR rejected another comment of mine here, but I do think it’s a direct result of the ‘peaceful protests’ of 2020.

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    UWS-er of 25 years
    UWS-er of 25 years
    3 years ago
    Reply to  John

    Lived here for over 25 years. The neighborhood did change.

    Last edited 3 years ago by UWS-er of 25 years
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    Ish Kabibble
    Ish Kabibble
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    I remember it always being like this.

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    UWS-er of 25 years
    UWS-er of 25 years
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Ish Kabibble

    No, it wasn’t. Not even close

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    mkmuws
    mkmuws
    3 years ago

    Obviously it’s horrible and dangerous for anyone, but there should be an extra penalty for this kind of child abuse, as with elder abuse.

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    We Can Dream
    We Can Dream
    3 years ago

    Perhaps Mr. Rocker will be introduced to the charming young lasses who attacked the Asian family on the F train near the W4th station.

    The justice would be both street and poetic.

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    jody
    jody
    3 years ago
    Reply to  We Can Dream

    That was a horrible frightening scene..I would be so scared if I were in that car

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    Michael
    Michael
    3 years ago

    I’d like to know if this individual is a repeat offender and the person who also coward-punched me. Unfortunately, there is no description of the accused offender. But, the age seems about right.

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    Susan
    Susan
    3 years ago

    It’s incredible that a 51 year old man would do something like this to a teenage girl. I hope I live to see the day when male violence in all its varieties—rape, domestic, war, unprovoked, mass murder, etc, etc.—comes to an end. But given its long history, I’m not optimistic.

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    Drew
    Drew
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Susan

    its not only male violence what about the girls in the subway that attacked some people?

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    Katherine
    Katherine
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Drew

    It’s funny – for every story of a girl attacking someone, there are literally hundreds of stories, men killing, raping and attacking others. They are in no way comparable.

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    Sam Katz
    Sam Katz
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    True. In the prison population in America, men 90%, women 10%.

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    charles
    charles
    3 years ago

    Unfortunately readers of WSR are jumping to conclusions based upon an incomplete report of the incident. I was there when the man was being chased by 5 female screaming teenangers in the North entrance to the subway station He stopped running for a split second and took a swing at one of them and then ran across the street to the south entrance of the station where the 2 policeman stationed. One of the teenagers was handcuffed which was left out of the story.

    Therefore this should be lesson to readers to be impartial until you know all the facts.

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    Jacob
    Jacob
    3 years ago
    Reply to  charles

    This makes more sense in context. Reading the article, I thought it was very odd that a 51-year old man attacked a teenager out of the blue when there was no mention of mental instability. Defending himself against a mob of teenage girls from the hood passes the sniff test.

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    UWS-er of 25 years
    UWS-er of 25 years
    3 years ago
    Reply to  charles

    Correcting earlier submission, too many autocorrected words.

    You are right. We are often jumping to conclusions.

    However this particular situation is really bad regardless of the details. A grown man punching a girl is bad. Not as bad though when it was a last resort in self-defense. We know that teenagers could be more dangerous than adults. It has been happening over
    and over lately without much repercussions for them.

    Either way – increased violence without much consequences.

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    Ed Jones
    Ed Jones
    3 years ago
    Reply to  UWS-er of 25 years

    But how can you be sure that the girl or her friends don’t have a knife or gun? Even if all 4-5 of them jumped on him simultaneously, they can bring him down and inflict severe harm, including death. Plus, the guy could have been a small guy, too.

    I won’t fault the guy for his actions from the comfort of my couch.

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    UWS-er of 25 years
    UWS-er of 25 years
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Ed Jones

    I agree with you. My point was that the incident was an act of violence.

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    Mark Moore
    Mark Moore
    3 years ago
    Reply to  charles

    Reporting on crime without the facts isn’t helpful. What’s the rush?

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    Michael
    Michael
    3 years ago
    Reply to  charles

    Agreed. But in all fairness, we believed we were reading a news report, per the listing “Crime, News”

    It’s also unusual to read that the suspect was “arrested” if he was merely defending himself.

    How about you cut us some slack?

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    Katherine
    Katherine
    3 years ago
    Reply to  charles

    “He stopped running for a split second and took a swing at one of them ”

    Why am I supposed to remain impartial here? Even in your account, he stopped running away and attacked one of them. That is battery, not self-defense.

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    Ergo
    Ergo
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    Seems like you are working harder than you need to here Katherine. First, guy seems to start as a good citizen engaging with rowdy behavior on subway. Second, guy is rewarded for his efforts by pursuit by a group spoiling for a fight. Third, he does take a swing. Fourth there may be a justification for that swing being self defense. Let us see what Mr. BRAGG and his staff determine.

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    Lee
    Lee
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    Have to disagree with you on this. If an attacker is close enough to strike you, it is certainly self defense to turn and strike them. Maybe you feel no one should ever fight back-that’s your choice.

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    charles
    charles
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Katherine

    if you are running away from an attacker then turn around and hit him that is still -self defense, The five girls were practically on top of him when he turned around and took a swing.

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    Harry
    Harry
    3 years ago

    I figured he was being attacked – that’s logical. Too bad we don’t have stand your ground laws in NY. There’d be a few less punks today.

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    EricaC
    EricaC
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Harry

    I’m very glad we don’t. We do have a right of self defense – but not the right to kill for property crimes. Or being unfamiliar.

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    hbcreme
    hbcreme
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Harry

    One of the most fundamental rights a person can have is to stand his ground and defend him/her self. We didn’t trade government police forces for this right. States which refuse to recognize a person’s right to defend themself, a god given natural law right, are really going too far. Very soon, there will be people walking around with guns on the streets of NYC legally. The city would be smart to revise its laws to accomodate this reality.

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    Pat Weich
    Pat Weich
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Harry

    I hope I don’t live near you Harry. Stand your ground is one of the most dangerous laws in the United States.

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    jezbel
    jezbel
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Harry

    No – it’s not too bad that NY doesn’t have “stand your ground” laws. We’ve all seen what that leads to. No way.
    Perhaps you’ve all forgotten what a fair sized group of teenagers is capable of doing. Teens have egged on other vulnerable teens to commit suicide. They pick on vulnerable people. The power of the pack carries weight. They may have the immature brains of children but they’re built like adults. When there’s a pack mentality it can be extremely threatening for an individual traveling alone. I’m not blaming either side. But I can see how a grown man could feel threatened, especially if they’re set their sights on him as a victim.

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    Josh
    Josh
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Harry

    And many fewer people who weren’t punks but just had the wrong skin color, “forcing” someone to stand their ground and relieve these people, who weren’t punks, of their lives because the shooter felt threatened by their skin color.

    New York’s self defense laws make sense. If you have a choice between escaping and using force, escape. Many fewer innocent people die that way.

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    Kurt
    Kurt
    3 years ago

    I was on the subway car where the events took place that precipitated this incident (I also got off at 72nd st.) and I would not describe everyone’s initial reaction in the comments as indicative of what actually happened, nor is the article above even remotely complete.

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    barry f.
    barry f.
    3 years ago

    random attacks are horrific. they are also increasing on the upper west side (and morningside heights). i go back to the issue of lack of law enforcement, and a breakdown in quality of life across the community (and nyc for that matter). specifically, the number of homeless people on the streets is almost mind-boggling. i have been a resident of the upper west side for 30 years and it has never – ever – been this bad. walk from 79th to 110th and you will see on every block homeless people, many are mentally ill. some are threatening and aggressive. where is gail brewer to address it? should we accept the encampments? the drug dens? the increasingly sorry state of the neighborhood? is it fair to us? to business owners? to children? to people who care about where he live and how we live? seriously. enough is enough. the upper west side is falling apart. to deny it is to live with your eyes shut.

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    Pat Weich
    Pat Weich
    3 years ago
    Reply to  barry f.

    You run into trouble when you compare crime with immigrants who come for refuge. Apples and oranges.

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    hbcreme
    hbcreme
    3 years ago

    Can everyone quit with the male attacking? How about just saying that some PEOPLE attack others and not having to divide people? There have been plenty of stories of women attacking innocent people. There have been many horror stories of abuse of children committed by women. Yes, it is mostly males attacking and mostly females getting attacked, but its NOT A RULE and talking about gender just confuses an already sickening and disturbing issue. How about using the word PEOPLE. Why is it that we can’t talk stereotype attacks based on race or religion, but we can stereotype about males? Go through any of these posts mentioning “males” and replace “males” with a racial group or religious group and your post won’t even see the light of day. But if your stereotype involves “males”, no problem!!

    Last edited 3 years ago by hbcreme
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    good humor
    good humor
    3 years ago
    Reply to  hbcreme

    that’s true. if it were a racial group, it’d be censored to oblivion.

    that said, it IS men who are doing the attacking.

    in other words, maybe the truth hurts and censorship is bad.

    just my thoughts.

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    Virvir
    Virvir
    3 years ago
    Reply to  hbcreme

    This is a fair point on the face of it, but I don’t believe any fair-minded person is asserting that violent offenders = male is “a rule,” nor that the vast majority of males are not good people. However, the facts support that around 90% of violent offenders are male. Why is this? It seems to me that’s the problem we need to solve for as a community.

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    Peter
    Peter
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Virvir

    Banning men seems like the obvious community solution, no?

    And since you’re facile with facts and stats, what percentage of US combat deaths are male? Try that math.

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    hbcreme
    hbcreme
    3 years ago
    Reply to  Virvir

    This kind of stereotyping should not be allowed here. Replace “men” with “jewish” and see how far you post goes. No stereotyping and grouping of people should be allowed in these comments in my opinion. There are reasons we don’t allow it for other groups and the same should go for men or any group for that matter.

    Last edited 3 years ago by hbcreme
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    Will
    Will
    3 years ago

    We need more police and cameras on the UWS.

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    Bebe
    Bebe
    3 years ago

    I have lived here for about 40 years and it has definitely changed. I do not leave home walking after dark.

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    Abra
    Abra
    3 years ago

    So a man, harassed by a crowd of teenagers. And these teenagers were behaving like wild unhinged animals towards other people ie pushing pedestrians into other people and then followed him out of subway … so he goes off ( not condoning violence but come on) . And hopefully lesson learned ..albeit a harsh lesson learned by these teenagers who clearly pushed the wrong person, literally and figuratively.

    Last edited 3 years ago by Abra
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    Anne
    Anne
    3 years ago

    The “victim” was not innocent. No one deserves violence, but not an innocent victim. UWS is extraordinarily safe— what do people really expect?? This is about as good as it gets across the WORLD!

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    charles
    charles
    3 years ago

    In1993 senator Patrick Moynihan described what happens if there is increased criminality:He coined the phrase “defining deviancy down” to describe the tendency of societies to respond to destructive behaviors by lowering standards for what is permissible. That is exactly the case with these teenage hoodlums who are coddled by their parents, their teachers and even by lenient treatment from law enforcement,

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