By Daniel Katzive
When we published our article on Electric Vehicle (EV) ownership on the Upper West Side last week, we invited EV owners to reach out and share their experiences with owning an EV in the neighborhood. A couple of themes emerged in emails and telephone conversations with nine EV owners or prospective owners. Some provided their names and some preferred not to, so we have kept all the comments anonymous for consistency.
NO BUYER’S REMORSE
EV owners we spoke to were generally happy with their purchases. They were frank about the additional challenges that come with owning an EV (as one driver told us, “range anxiety is a real thing,” especially because he found that estimates of available miles on his dashboard did not always correspond to actual miles remaining before needing to charge again). But no one we heard from indicated that they viewed their EV purchase or lease as a mistake. There were no “don’t do it!” responses; one Tesla driver even called his car “the best thing I’ve ever bought.”
The proliferation of chargers also appears to be outpacing the rate of adoption of the vehicles themselves, at least for now, with drivers indicating it is getting easier to find an available charger, both in and outside of the city.
One current owner we spoke to had previously owned a Tesla back in 2018 and operated it as an Uber driver. He indicated he was originally attracted to the vehicle by his admiration of “Elon [Musk]’s idea of using new technology to solve environmental problems.” He said he also has owned Tesla stock.
At the time, he said, he had to travel as far as JFK airport or Tarrytown (about 20 miles up the Hudson River) to access high-speed charging. Although he loved the car itself, he gave up after about six months, in part because of the difficulty of finding charging options. He now owns a new Tesla which he parks in a garage on the lower end of the Upper West Side. He says it is much easier to find charging options today than it was four years ago, whether at garages in the city or on the road. In fact, this owner told us he recently completed a road trip out to Yellowstone National Park, charging at hotels along the way.
OWNING IN TOWN, CHARGING OUT OF TOWN
While the Rag focused on the challenges of charging an EV on the UWS in our original article, most of the EV owners we heard from indicated that they seldom charge their cars in the city. We did speak with one EV driver who used the car to commute to the West Village, but most drivers we heard from used them mainly for traveling out of town, making it easy to avoid having to charge in Manhattan.
Outside of Manhattan, many retail locations and offices have high speed chargers, some of which can charge a car in as little as 15 minutes, and EVs can also be plugged into residential 120 volt outlets for slower charging during overnight stays with friends and relatives.
The Tesla drivers we spoke with indicated that a company app makes it relatively easy to find Tesla high speed chargers along the various routes they travel. Tesla claims on their web site that there are currently more than 35,000 superchargers globally, and, according to the scrapehero data website, 1,422 of these are in the US.
While non-Tesla drivers cannot use Tesla high speed chargers, a driver of a Volkswagen EV told us that his three-year VW EV lease gives him free access to Electrify America chargers, which he says are easily accessible from major highways in the area. These high speed (Level 3) chargers can top up a battery in as little as 15 minutes, in contrast to the several hours it can take to charge with the 240v Level 2 chargers available on streets or in most garages. Level 1 charging (basically a 120v wall outlet) can take much longer.
This preference for out-of-town charging sounds a lot like the refueling habits of drivers of gas-powered cars. As we pointed out in our original article, gasoline is more expensive in Manhattan and gas stations are few and far between. Most Upper West Siders do not need a car for their daily commutes in the city; those who do own cars tend to use them to leave New York for out-of-town jobs, visits to relatives and friends, travel to weekend homes, or recreational activities. For these drivers, refueling or charging outside of Manhattan may not be inconvenient at all.
BE FLEXIBLE
Many drivers we heard from who do sometimes charge in the city seem to deploy a flexible approach rather than relying on a single source for charging.
One Tesla driver we spoke to said he sometimes travels up to the Ridge Hill shopping center in Yonkers to plug in at a Tesla high speed charger there while doing some grocery shopping at Whole Foods or visiting other retailers.
Another recent Tesla purchaser indicated they had used the public curbside chargers on 76th Street on one occasion but at other times couldn’t access them because of illegally parked non-EVs blocking those stations. This same driver, who works in the film industry and often uses his car to reach out-of-the-way filming locations at odd hours, has also plugged in his vehicle to generators while on location and, on one occasion, experimented with dropping an extension cord out the fifth story window of his residence, though he said he would not be likely to use that method again, given the practical inconvenience and the slow pace of charging using a 120-volt residential outlet.
WHAT’S NEXT FOR EVs ON THE WEST SIDE
EV owners we spoke with are happy with their cars and have found ways to deal with the complications of charging their vehicles while living in an urban environment. But over 98% of the passenger cars registered to households living on the Upper West Side remain gasoline powered, and it is unclear how quickly adoption will spread from here.
Daniel Cohen is an Upper West Sider and founder of UCharge, a startup company working on solutions to the charging dilemma for urban residents. Cohen told us his research suggests the Upper West Side is an area likely to see strong interest in EVs relative to most other neighborhoods in the city (TriBeCa is another such area, but with far fewer residents than the UWS). Drivers are interested in EVs, he says, not just because they want to be more environmentally responsible but also because they view EVs as the technology of the future. To these drivers, “their current car feels old-fashioned.”
According to Cohen, the main hesitation he hears among prospective EV owners is “how practical is this going to be?” in terms of charging. To see growth in EV ownership really accelerate, we may need to see an increase in charging capacity, both inside and outside the city.
Upper West Siders interested in owning an EV should do their own research and think about how an EV will work in the context of their current driving habits: where do they drive, how often, how many miles, and where do they park.
Well the use cases (and charging/refueling) are pretty much the same for electric vehicles as they are for gasoline powered vehicles:
(1) Travelling out of town
(2) Moving car for alternate side parking
As of the Census survey in 2017, over 200,000 New Yorkers reverse commute. Over the years I have known at least a dozen who live in our neighborhood , inclusive of doctors, lawyers, and college/professional school professors. All have spouses with similarly responsible positions within Manhattan, and for that and other reasons they choose to live here.
That is not a bad thing.
Cool, 2 or 3% of people are reverse commuting and you know a few. I don’t personally know any but I do know many people who sit in their car for several hours a week to do the alternate side of the street parking shuffle. I think that for some of them a tank of gas lasts a whole year.
‘do their own research’… lol. Sounds like a meme stock or a crypto coin. Or vaccine deniers. Anyway I have DMOR and where I live, we are putting in 150 charging stations. I will then put in a charger in my upstate house and buy an electric car (hopefully not a Tesla) and life will be beautiful.
We need more charging stations in the UWS.
what does it cost to charge battery?
I don’t have an electric car but I have a ConEd account. According to my last bill, after all taxes and fees on both the supply side and the delivery side I pay 33.4 cents per kwh.
A Chevy Bolt has a 60 kwh battery, so to charge it from completely empty to completely full would cost about $20 and get you 259 miles or just under 8 cents per mile.
A Tesla Model 3 Long Range has an 82 kwh battery so will cost $27.50 to charge from completely empty to completely full.and would get you 358 miles at a little under 8 cents per mile.
You’d never have a battery at completely empty and you’d probably never charge a battery to completely full since both conditions aren’t good for the batteries so figure you’d normally be charging 70% of capacity (from 20% to 90%) so your actual payments would be $14 for the Bolt and $19 for the Model 3.
The above assumes that you can charge at your home in Manhattan. If you charge at a ConEd street station figure costs will go up by around 10-15%. If you use one of the BLINK stations in a garage the price will go up by 50% to 100% depending on if you are a “member” or not. If you have a home outside of the NYC metropolitan area you can figure the costs will go down by 20-30%.
My Hybrid PHEV gets 54 miles per gallon at 8 cents a mile for charging gas ends up cheaper for me in almost all cases $4.32 a gallon would be the breakeven. I filled up on Jul 23rd for $4.00 a gallon at Montauk Native Gas at the recent peak their gas was $4.59 a gallon. NYC gas stations are much higher so for many it is easier to save with electric vs gas though. I still charge in NYC with FLO off peak even though it costs a more, to have the battery for local driving rather then using gas.
I did sign up for smartcharge so hopefully that will make electric charging cheaper always.
Interesting analysis. Few people know what electricity actually costs per unit.
My 2021 Honda Accord costs about 12.5 cents per mile at current gas prices which fluctuate quite a bit of course. I’ve driven several Chevy Bolts (and a Nissan Leaf). The electric powertrain is fun but the rest of the car is still just a Chevy. But when there’s a mass market EV from a car company I like and a handy place to charge it I’ll be happy to drive one.
The “actual payments” (what % of the battery’s capacity you charge) aren’t really relevant – it’s the cost per KWH, regardless of whether you pay $10.00 twice a week, or $20.00 once a week.
Among the more easily debunked overstatements here is the notion that each blade of a windmill weighs 40 .5 tons. That’s a Tiger Tank from WW 2. Not sure how much else is nonsense, or trump-like propaganda, because I can’t spare the time needed.
Would you prefer we burn wood and coal to heat our homes? Put up with the amount of horse manure needed to keep a city of 8.5 million going if we don’t use motored vehicles due to the fact that all involve some form of pollution?
Or perhaps you could source your obvious cut and paste so the rest of us can make an informed decision about its veracity?
Gosh, thanx “NM”! You’ve convinced many of us to:
1. NEVER use those evil ecologically-destructive batteries;
2. NEVER to use electricity;
3. NEVER to purchase anything, even food;
4. and we must all HUNT our food, BUT since we CANNOT use manufactured weapons we must sharpen 100% ecologically-correct tree branches to create spears, and stab our prey…humanely of course.
It is likely that none of the many noble attempts worldwide to reduce greenhouse gases will make much of a difference. In about twenty years, the world (its leaders) will agree that we must launch something into space to mitigate the heat of the sun. Though Teslas and charging stations may be “nice,”
they are deck chairs on the Titanic. The Earth, if it is saved, will be saved in space.
Makes me want to watch “Interstellar” again.
I leased a Chevy Bolt last year and live near 72nd and Riverside. The FLO curbside public charging on 76th, 84th, and 93rd are great and we need more. For fast charging in Manhattan the Essex street garage(at Delancey) allows for the first 22 key free to make up for the $8 parking fee. I’ve parked/charged there and do some specialty food shopping in the area. The City needs to open more fleet EV charging stations to the public. There is a charger at the 96th st Riverside Park parking lot that would be great for public use. I’ve used the ones they opened up in Queens. In over 18 months they haven’t added any additional sites to the public. The City is building the infrastructure for charging their fleet, but this infrastructure is underutilized by the city fleet and must be more open to the public.
I love the way car drives, cost of ownership is low( Smartcharge NY provides rewards of $25 per month in the summer making my curbside sessions free in essence.)The size of the Bolt makes parking on the street easier as well.
For city car owners electric is great. We will need to put the charging infrastructure in place both as an incentive for buyers and to make sure there is sufficient charging options for the owners once the percentage of EV reaches 25% and above.
A friend told me that his uncle bought a used, small and cheap (low priced when new) Japan made EV, I assume something like a Leaf, for $13,000. The car ran great with zero maintenance, until 7 months later the battery died. He was horrified to find that a replacement battery, or batteries, will cost $14,000.
The list price for a Leaf battery is $5,500 labor to install $1,000 to $2,000. The battery as expected is an expensive component of the car not $14,000 though.
That’s what I was told, and I don’t know which make the car is/was.
Thanks for your info.