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    Garbage-Collection Map Gives Evidence That Many Upper West Siders Have Left the City

    April 13, 2020 | 2:47 PM
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    Many New Yorkers with a way to get out of the city — a second home, rental property, or relatives living elsewhere — have done so. And new data put together by The City investigative news site shows which neighborhoods appear to have the most evacuees.

    The Upper West Side tossed 3.2% fewer tons of trash in March 2020 than it did in March 2019. The Lower East Side had an even more dramatic drop, at 5%. Other parts of the city — including much of Queens and the Bronx — had much higher levels of trash than normal as people have stayed at home instead of going to work and school.

    The map below has the data from each neighborhood:

    The Department of Sanitation’s resident anthropologist (yes they have one!) had some explanations:

    To Robin Nagle, anthropologist in residence at the city Department of Sanitation, the trash trends may be telling the story of a city undergoing a seismic transformation.

    “Garbage itself always, like a canary in a coal mine, is a key indicator of social change,” Nagle said.

    “Manhattan is considerably wealthier than Queens, so I’m assuming more Manhattanites left the city, while more Queens residents have no choice but to shelter at home.”

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    32 Comments
    KT
    KT
    6 years ago

    Why is there so much more trash on the sidewalks? That’s been disgusting lately.

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    Burtnor
    Burtnor
    6 years ago
    Reply to  KT

    KT: Get a grip. 350 sanitation workers are sick with Covid. It’s amazing they are still doing curbside collection. They deserve credit as essential workers helping to keep the city running at risk to themselves, especially when people leave infected materials (masks, gloves, clothing) exposed in garbage.

    https://www.wastedive.com/news/labor-covid-19-coronavirus-confirmed-waste-illnesses-new-york-sanitation/575635/

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    Julian Glickman
    Julian Glickman
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Burtnor

    Yep, same goes with the MTA workers.

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    Hugh Van Dusen
    Hugh Van Dusen
    6 years ago

    Why are there s many available parking palaces on weekends?

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    ST
    ST
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Hugh Van Dusen

    Besides the runners, no one is showing up from out of town to park because they work here during the week and to visit on the weekends. There are out of town folks who park and take an Uber to the airport because a couple of alt side tickets is cheaper than airport parking for the week. People with second homes garage their cars. The parking difference is the out-of-towners are gone. Will we still need Congestion Pricing in the age of the Virus? Doubt it, but it will be pushed through anyway as a money grab.

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    nycissues.org
    nycissues.org
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Hugh Van Dusen

    We also don’t have as many people coming into the city needing to park.

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    robert
    robert
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Hugh Van Dusen

    Because a lot of people have left the UWS. Its more noticeable on the weekends as the biz folks that park in the area and take the train downtown during the week. The availability is aprox they same as it is after school lets out on a normal year and folks leave.

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    John
    John
    6 years ago

    LES and UWS reduction was probably due to NYU and Columbia/Barnard dismissing students and them returning home…

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    Kay McFadden
    Kay McFadden
    6 years ago
    Reply to  John

    If you hover your cursor on the map, it breaks out smaller segments to show changes. For example, CD 9 / Morningside is up 1.1% in trash pickup while CD 7 / UWS is down 3.2%.

    The population in my (non-student) coop on West 103rd has fallen about 35%. As the story says, lots of folks hustled off early on.

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    Steviee
    Steviee
    6 years ago
    Reply to  John

    It is empty up here in Morningside Heights. Columbia, Barnard, Manhattan School of Music, Union Theological Seminary, Jewish Theological Seminary. All closed.

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    mkmuws
    mkmuws
    6 years ago

    More space for the rest of us!

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    KB
    KB
    6 years ago

    There are a lot of explanations. For instance, we’re mostly cooking at home, which creates far less trash than takeout with all those individual tins and containers. Restaurants are closed so there’s no restaurant garbage. Stores are closed so there’s no store garbage. Also, the plastic bag ban went into effect so there are far fewer bags. I’m sure there are many other explanations besides flight to country houses, though there’s certainly some of that.

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    nycissues.org
    nycissues.org
    6 years ago
    Reply to  KB

    Packaging for deliveries might be higher. More people buying online.

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    ileen
    ileen
    6 years ago
    Reply to  KB

    Business garbage is different because it gets collected by private sanitation companies. I agree less packaging due to cooking at home.

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    Mark Moore
    Mark Moore
    6 years ago

    Pretty telling that it’s gone down by over 5 percent when the people who are still here are probably throwing away more household trash then ever being at home and cooking all the time.

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    Leda
    Leda
    6 years ago

    I think it’s because those two neighborhoods actively participate in compost recycling. Our building manager announced at our last board meeting that there’s been a significant drop in garbage since we started collecting compostable materials. Even though the drop-off sites are temporarily closed, the city is still collecting compost from apartment buildings.

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    Christina
    Christina
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Leda

    Also more and more people are bringing their own shopping bags. So less plastic and paper bags.

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    nycissues.org
    nycissues.org
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Leda

    On Monday nights, the composting is the first trash collected. The next day recyclables are usually collected before the regular trash.

    My opinion is that the City of New York has determined that these materials are valuable and can be profitable. It can pay for the fuel used to transport the trash.

    The trend in the past year has been recycled materials are paying less at the dump than they used to. New York prices are probably following the same trend as this link shows for the Northwestern USA.

    https://zerowaste.com/recycling-markets/

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    nycissues.org
    nycissues.org
    6 years ago

    There is cash in the trash. The amount of trash collected is mitigated every week by the efforts evident in this picture.

    https://www.nycissues.org/images/cashinthetrash.jpg

    The image was taken today around 3:30 PM. The heaver glass bottles are usually left behind. There has been no decrease in the amount that is being collected. There has been a decrease in stores not taking the returned bottles. Stores have complained that there have been fewer pickups of deposit bottles in recent weeks. This has also affected those collecting.

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    nycissues.org
    nycissues.org
    6 years ago
    Reply to  nycissues.org

    At 5:45pm, an update to the last image.

    https://www.nycissues.org/images/cashinthetrash2.jpg

    People are waiting for the truck to pick up their deposit bottles for cash. Someone has called the police to disperse the collectors.

    A correction to my previous wording. Fewer stores are taking bottles. They say they do not have space to store. Pickup of the bottles by the distributors has ceased. Upper West Siders are continuing to buy and not returning them to the stores.

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    UWSmom
    UWSmom
    6 years ago

    So now it becomes clear that there are many second-homers on the UWS. If they can afford to “flee,” they can afford paid parking. Can we please charge for parking when this is over?

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    whatever
    whatever
    6 years ago
    Reply to  UWSmom

    I’d rather they open-up the apartment for anyone with a rent-controlled or rent-stabilized apartment who is sheltering in their second home…

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    UWSHebrew
    UWSHebrew
    6 years ago
    Reply to  whatever

    keep dreaming

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    Scott
    Scott
    6 years ago
    Reply to  UWSmom

    I know one such person who fled. He’s staying with his sister in a modest home in CT. So, beware of stereotypes.

    But yes it would be a great time to reserve NYC parking for residents. Other states have declared war on us for the last month; why not return the favor?

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    Nevets K
    Nevets K
    6 years ago
    Reply to  UWSmom

    And charge for dog owners using the sidewalks too – what a mess some of their dogs leave; plus, the dogs
    take up “valuable public sidewalk space” – and charge for bike riders on the streets; they take up “valuable public space” too — and charge for…

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    UWS Clean
    UWS Clean
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Nevets K

    Here Here! Keep the public sidewalks clean of unsanitary dog feces and urine. How would it be if we all used them as toilets in these times or in anytime?

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    geoff
    geoff
    6 years ago
    Reply to  UWSmom

    agree. there has been some undermining of the pleas for free street parking. and ‘poverty’.

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    Carol
    Carol
    6 years ago

    The majority of my friends have fled for relative’s homes. Quarantining is hard when you have a) a ton of roommates in a small apartment, or the opposite — all your roommates leave and you’re left by yourself.

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    Anthony newyork
    Anthony newyork
    6 years ago

    Most people under 40 don’t know how to cook, it’s sad but it’s the truth. Older people know how to cook and are good in the kitchen, but the younger generation need to go in the internet to look up how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. That’s why McDonald’s is considered a essential business during a world wide pandemic. If the world is ending you can still go there and get a Happy Meal.

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    Nordy
    Nordy
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Anthony newyork

    Cooking is time-consuming and not that important to many people.

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    Boris
    Boris
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Anthony newyork

    Maybe they have better uses for their time.

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    nycissues.org
    nycissues.org
    6 years ago
    Reply to  Anthony newyork

    If you can boil water you already know how to cook. The real problem is that many want it done for them and have had people do it for them. Spending three dollars to have tea made for them rather than use a fifteen cents teabag and boiled tap water was the norm. Those times are not coming back very soon.

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