Police are looking for two men, at least one of whom who fired into a crowd of people at the Frederick Douglass Houses early Sunday morning. No one was hurt in the shooting, and their motive was unclear.
“According to the NYPD, video shows one of the two suspects whipping out a gun from his waistband and opening fire in the courtyard of the Frederick Douglass Houses on the Upper West Side around 12:05 a.m. Sunday,” the Daily News reported. The Post reported that they “fled into one of the nearby buildings.” We haven’t heard back from the local precinct with more details and descriptions of the suspects.
The Douglass Houses project is located between Amsterdam and Manhattan Avenues from 100th to 104th street.
Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at (800) 577-TIPS (8477). The public can also submit tips anonymously by logging onto the Crime Stoppers Website at WWW.NYPDCRIMESTOPPERS.COM or texting 274637(CRIMES), then entering TIP577.
Imagine that and at a housing project too.
Hey, Sean! When a white guy shoots up a movie theater or a school, do you post, “Imagine that and at a movie theater too” or “Imagine that and at a school too”?
Those sorts of events are more shocking because they’re seemingly random. You expect this in housing projects. Get over your white liberal guilt. There’s a real problem with violence in these places and pretending it doesn’t exist doesn’t do the people who live there and endure this $*@& any good.
Shootings at schools and movie theaters are hardly shocking anymore. They seem to happen all the time. Shootings at housing projects aren’t shocking either, since they’re also all too common. Sad but true.
Ah, yes, Scott, no one here was talking about race. Hilarious.
I’m not actually consumed by white liberal guilt at all, thanks! But nor am I consumed by racism….
Tut tut, UWS-er, you’re the one who brought up race with your spectacularly clumsy non-sequiter about “white guys” and movie theaters. But isn’t that what people like you do, you fart and then point fingers at everyone else. I’d seek help if I were you.
What exactly is your issue, Scott? Of course I wouldn’t walk through a crime-ridden housing project late at night. Why would you think I would? Did I say they’re peaceful, harmonious places? I wouldn’t walk through any high-crime area late at night, or send my kids to any failing school. But the reason wouldn’t be because there are black people there. Only you and your pals here seem to think all black people are criminals. I can’t imagine what it must be like to go through life so consumed by hate, fear and racism. I feel very, very sorry for you. I hope you get the help you need.
Yes, Off-Duty, Nathan nailed me. He’s so wise for a racist.
I bet you wouldn’t walk across the Douglass projects by yourself on a Saturday night in August. I also bet you wouldn’t send your kids to a school zoned for Douglass residents. #liberalhypocrite
Deny it all you want UWs-er…..
Nathan nailed you.
I pity the poor residents (predominantly innocent people trying to live their lives) who have to endure this sort of terror, or the fear of it, on a regular basis.
Yet another crime story and no descriptions? Why is that? Amazing how every crime story has a few things in common but we’re not supposed to acknowledge that are we? That would be offensive. As far as the poor innocent residents are concerned, dont feel sorry for them. They wont ‘snitch’ or help the NYPD. Nothing surprising here at all.
The description is in that wonderfully detailed photo from a camera that must have been from 1984.
Apropos:
https://www.vdare.com/posts/the-nyt-obsesses-over-police-brutality-and-ignores-the-black-crime-that-necessitates-it
Excerpt:
Note that the photo is of a scene from the much-reported June 5th incident involving a pool party gone awry in McKinney, Texas. (Oddly, I can find no mention of this in the post itself) Throughout the mainstream media, that incident was portrayed as a simple case of racist police brutality against innocent black youths who were just trying to have a fun time. Like most of the countless other incidents that are presented this way, however, a closer examination reveals that such a narrative can only be maintained through a selective presentation of the facts that depends-upon the omission of critical details. See:
https://www.vdare.com/posts/why-we-cant-have-nice-things-mckinney-pool-party-edition
Another excerpt from the site “Independent” is linking to: “Black and white can’t live together. We should just find some way peacefully to separate.”
So wouldn’t take anything there seriously. It’s a white supremacist hate site.
wow… thanks UWS-er. some of the commenters here are getting more and more extreme.
@ bruce – Yeah….. All those yucky comments from people who dare to question you and your delusional ilk.
Erick wrote,
Not to worry, Erick. You can rest assured that responsible, conscientious leaders such as the Reverend [sic] Al Sharpton and the “Black Lives Matter” crowd will no doubt be moved by this shocking incident into demanding sweeping reforms. And that these will surely include the implementation of a rigorous screening process not only for all future applicants to public housing but also for all current residents, as well as a zero tolerance policy towards anyone who exhibits violent tendencies or adoration of thug/”gangsta” lifestyles.
After all, just look at how incidents involving confrontations with police that are at best ambiguous (and, in most cases, the actual facts of which vindicate the police or at least point strongly in that direction [1]) arouse such righteous indignation in the aforementioned champions of Racial and Social Justice (TM). Surely then, when it comes to incidents of the nature of the one being reported in this West Side Rag story– incidents that claim far more black lives than any incidents of police brutality (whether real, imagined or somewhere in-between)– we can only expect outrage that is even more pronounced and passionate on the part of the “Social Justice Warriors” in-question.
[1]See, for example:
https://www.vdare.com/articles/ferguson-missouri-another-al-sharpton-is-right-moment-for-national-review
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2015-03-14.html
(scroll-down to items “07” and “08”)
https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2014-11-29.html
Leaders of the black community and those like Sharpton should voice more outrage at the crime in black communities and it is sad that it doesn’t happen as often. That being said we really don’t know the true numbers of police mistreatment or beatings or deaths because there are no records kept of such incidents, and as we noticed with some of the video footage of police encounters there are clearly situations where police have beaten, killed, and lied about the encounter in reporting of what transpired. In a few it was also clear evidence was planted or the scene was compromised to mirror the narrative the officers reported. That behavior calls into question any contact between police and the public. Most complaints to the CCRB result in nothing being done. Even when Internal Affairs finds evidence of an officer doing something wrong ultimately the commissioner is resposible for reprimanding that officer and that also results in nothing happening. So we don’t really know the true level of misconduct by the police. We should be outrage by that behavior as well as the behavior of criminals and those that shoot randomly into a crowd. We don’t have to choose between the two as if one is ok and the other is bad.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
Sorry I forgot one part on my post, there should have been a 3rd set of numbers
Complainant/victim/witness unavailable 8.4%
Which I have added to this version of my post.
CCRB is important but has and is being abused. Many defendants attorneys know that they are backed up beyond belief. They then tell their clients to make a complaint of police misconduct so they can mention it at the trail as part of the defense. Found guilty or innocent they very rarely follow through and go down to CCRB and make a sworn statement that what they claimed actually happened.
This in NO way excuses ANY police misconduct, but I find it very interesting that while there are large numbers allegations, in only a portion of those does the person actually show up at CCRB to make a formal complaint. Obviously every incident should be looked at, but if someone is not will to cooperate with the investigation into their own allegations its not going to go anywhere.
Here are some interesting numbers right from CCRB Jan-June 2015
Complainant/victim/witness uncooperative 31.3% (Meaning CCRB could not do much with it)
Of those they actually could look into
Allegations exonerated, unfounded, and/or unsubstantiated 71.4%
Complaint withdrawn 6.3%
Complainant/victim/witness unavailable 8.4%
The CCRB doesn’t have any teeth and can only offer a suggestion that a police officer should be reprimanded. Many of the people who go the route of making a formal complaint to the CCRB don’t have the time to take a day off of work to explain their case. Unfounded cases are high because it often comes down to “he said/she said” and police officer accounts are historically given more weight. Even in the unlikely event that an officer is found to have done something wrong, they very rarely face any disciplinary action from their superiors. This is true if the case has gone through CCRB or even Internal Affairs. Direct quote from an IA investigator, “if there isn’t any video evidence showing a situation from beginning to end, over 90% of the time the officer is seen as having done nothing wrong”. Also, even when an officer is found to have done something wrong, eventually their superiors (other police officers that need buy-in from their underlings so they are reluctant or even downright against reprimanding any officers). Allowing police officers to investigate themselves will never lead to effective reform nor will having a civilian agency that has no power to affect change.
CCRB is important but has and is being abused. Many defendants attorneys know that they are backed up beyond belief. They then tell their clients to make a complaint of police misconduct so they can mention it at the trail as part of the defense. Found guilty or innocent they very rarely follow through and go down to CCRB and make a sworn statement that what they claimed actually happened.
This in NO way excuses ANY police misconduct, but I find it very interesting that while there are large numbers allegations, in only a portion of those does the person actually show up at CCRB to make a formal complaint. Obviously every incident should be looked at, but if someone is not will to cooperate with the investigation into their own algations its not going to go anywhere.
Here are some interesting numbers right from CCRB Jan-June 2015
Complainant/victim/witness uncooperative 31.3% (Meaning CCRB could not do much with it)
Of those they actually could look into
Allegations exonerated, unfounded, and/or unsubstantiated 71.4%
Complaint withdrawn 6.3%
Always nice to be able to immediately recognize a racist as such when he has tells like citing arguments from the nativist, white-supremacist geniuses posting at VDARE. What’s next, Stormfront.com?
Not to worry, you won’t ever have to worry about anyone saying your life mattered after you’re gone, you racist bag of hot air. You probably are the type of person to always get Eric Garner’s name wrong too.
Does anyone know when Lowes will open?
This world is too far gone. I believe we have lost a certain level of humanity , understanding , courtesy and patience. It’s very sad that people behave this way and use violence and unethical behaviour to survive.
It will all get better once the game is reset to Zero ! It’s only a matter of time until we reach a point where we can’t even leave our homes .
“It will all get better once the game is reset to Zero !”
Uh, what?
there is so much racism on this site that it is getting difficult to even read the comments. However, i am truly grateful to people like UWS-er and Dannyboy and many others who are taking on this plague and not letting the stupidity stand. i don’t believe the bigots represent anything more than a tiny minority on the UWS.
just for the record, and this is less important than the other points people are making: it’s not clear to me that the shooters in this grainy photo are African American. Maybe the taller guy is. the other guy could be anything.
just sayin’…
What is racist and bigoted? Please tell me. First you’ll say crime is down right? Ridiculous. When liberals have no response you just call them racist. The realities of housing project/shelter crimes- which are not committed by whites or asians- shouldnt be ignored or brushed aside. Which groups commit 95% of the robberies, 97% if the shootings and 93% of the murders? Dont answer that- that would be racist and offensive. Pathetic
What is racist and bigoted? Please tell me. First you’ll say crime is down right? Ridiculous. When liberals have no response you just call them racist. The realities of housing project/shelter crimes- which are not committed by whites or asians- shouldnt be ignored or brushed aside. Which griyps commit 95% of the robberies, 97% if the shootings and 93% of the murders? Dont answer that- that would be racist and offensive. Pathetic
They need to tear down these projects. They are a disgrace. They are not maintained. They exist only because someone is making money from them somehow. It is the same as living on a plantation.
It’s racist of you to give people a pass simply because of their race.
In what way did he do that? Did he say, hey, these guys shouldn’t go to prison if they’re black? You’re imagining things, which is a little scary.
thank you again UWS-er.
Considering that the Douglass Housing incident was apparently during their “family days” celebration which NYCHA provided 7K for, along with other goodies.
Not surprisingly, nobody has commented on de Balz and co. “we will leave no stone unturned to get cameras into every NYCHA development”. We should be holding their feet to the fire, considering the availability of HD camera systems something is very wrong here considering the quality of the picture. Either the city bought and installed poor equipment or more likely has not installed anything new at this project. Either way they should be held to account asap.
Truly disgusting. I hope the perpetrators are caught and go to jail for a very long time. If they are minors, perhaps their parents or guardians should lose their public housing as well. I for one am sick of the violence that occurs at and originates from these housing projects.
These laws are already on the books in NYC and elsewhere. The parents can and have been held responsible for damages caused by their minor children.
NYCHA developments have a policy on the books, also in NYC law, that if you, a guest and/or member of your family is convicted of a crime you can be evicted and banned from any and all NYCHA properties. I believe this only applies to felonies and drug offenses, nit for things like public urination.
The problem is that this takes years and is rarely done. It should be done in all if not most cases.
so you want to punish the parents for the crimes of minors? nice. how about we do that on Park Avenue. and have you ever heard of the US Constitution?
What do you know about the constitution? The 2nd amendment? Ever heard of that. Lets be honest. We all know who commits almost all the crime in NYC. Liberals pretend thats not true. You mention theatre shootings by whites- well ever heard of the DC Sniper- killed 16 and was arrested without indicent. Not white. Or the guy in Michigan who killed 8. Or Dorner, the black LA cop who went pn a rampage. Or just any weekend in Chicago. These facts are the inconvenient truth for UWS liberal hypocrites who send their jids to religious/private schools, live in all white/jewish co-ops and pretend to care. Just stop already
Time to get back on your meds.
It happens on Park Ave and Grand Concourse everyday, a minor child causes some damage and the parents have to pay to repair it. Sometimes enforced by courts. Case in point a kid in my building got made and through a TV remote out the window, her parents had to pay to have the canopy fixed.
Stockard Channing grew up on Park Avenue.
Tatum O’Neal grew up in lovely Beverly Hills.
Channing Tatum was raised in rural Alabama.
Carol Channing grew up in San Francisco.