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Sparks Flew Between Maloney and Patel in Tuesday Night’s Debate; Nadler Quiet

August 3, 2022 | 10:38 AM
in NEWS, POLITICS
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By Alex Maroño Porto

The generational strife at the heart of the Democratic primary race for New York’s 12th district congressional seat (which includes the Upper West Side) resonated throughout Tuesday night’s candidate debate.

On the one hand, Democratic Reps. Carolyn Maloney and Jerry Nadler, both elected to Congress in 1992 and reelected every two years since, tried to defend their records and praise the benefits of congressional seniority. On the other hand, challenger Suraj Patel, a 38-year-old with no previous legislative experience, called for a renewal of leadership.

“It’s 2022. It’s time to turn the page on 1992,” Patel said in his opening statement, echoing the issue he’s made the heart of his campaign.

During the 90-minute debate, each of the three Democratic candidates tried to convince voters in the newly-created district, the first in more than fifty years to combine Manhattan’s Upper West and the Upper East sides, to support their platform in the August 23 primary. Issues ranged from how to deal with rising inflation, to bail reform, to the efficacy of vaccines.

As he has throughout the campaign, Patel depicted Maloney as “committedly anti-vaxxer,” citing her co-sponsorship of a 2015 Republican-led bill  to study the risk of autism between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated population.

“I support vaccines,” Maloney shot back when challenged again by Patel.  “I support the science behind vaccines,” Maloney said, citing a variety of actions she said she had taken to promote vaccines.

The continuous exchange of arguments between Patel and Maloney, who repeatedly spoke longer than her allotted time, overshadowed a quiet Nadler who, on multiple occasions, seemed to struggle with his answers. At one point, though, Nadler, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, directed some harsh criticism at his fellow House colleague.

Though he and Maloney were often political allies in the House, until redistricting threw them into competition for the newly-drawn district, “There are some differences,” Nadler said. “We have different voting records. I voted against the Iraq war, and she voted for it. I voted against the Patriot Act even though 9/11 occurred in my district, and she voted for it.  And I voted for the Iran deal; she voted against it.” (According to ProPublica, out of the 914 votes that took place in the previous Congress, Nadler and Maloney disagreed on only six.)

In comparing herself with Nadler, Maloney looked beyond voting records and emphasized what she said was her ability to work with Republicans to pass legislation. “I have a record to run on with concrete examples of what my work has done,” she said. “I’m a proven progressive leader with a record of delivering results to the city of New York.”

With no legislative record to run on, Patel, who was interviewed by the Rag in June,  cited a variety of proposals he supports to deal with city and national crises, from building affordable housing in affluent neighborhoods to returning the New York harbor to a living shoreline.

“This is a perfect encapsulation of what outside-the-box, fresh thinking and new generational leadership looks like,” he said.

The right to abortion, one of the topics where the three politicians were completely aligned, drew a passionate response from Maloney. “There is no democracy if women cannot determine the health care for their own bodies,” she said. The congresswoman, one of the 17 Democrats detained at a pro-choice protest last July, has been endorsed by several feminist activists in her campaign for the 12th district Democratic nomination, as she recently told the Rag. “You cannot send a man to do a woman’s job,” she says in a campaign ad targeting Nadler.

Nadler, who has also been supported by Planned Parenthood and several feminist organizations, defended his record on reproductive issues and said that, in order to codify abortion rights in law, Democrats need to expand their razor-thin Senate majority. “Elections have consequences,” he said.

In three weeks, voters will choose between seniority or generational change, in a contest that will end the career of one —or two— New York political warhorses. In a poll released last week by Patel’s campaign, veterans Maloney and Nadler were tied at 31%, closely followed by Patel, at 25%.

“We’re, on this stage, star-crossed lovers. We’re arguing right now,” said Patel. But in the end, he added, “we’re on the same team.”

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joseph katz
joseph katz
7 months ago

Not to mention that Nadler said he voted twice to impeach
president George W. Bush. Really?
I’m not crazy about Patel, and if he gets elected he’ll be there
for the next 30 years, but he’s a better solution than both that
are in for 30 years already.
Term limits!

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Naomi Fein
Naomi Fein
7 months ago
Reply to  joseph katz

We have them. They are called elections.

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Ira
Ira
7 months ago
Reply to  Naomi Fein

Ridiculous! The power of the incumbency coupled w/ its access to media could never have been anticipated by our founders. Terms limits must be created 12/12 years.

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joe
joe
7 months ago
Reply to  Naomi Fein

ahh — to be ignorant of the power of a leadership position and what positive impact it can have on getting things done in the home district…

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joseph katz
joseph katz
7 months ago
Reply to  Naomi Fein

Elections are NOT term limits.
Please don’t insult my and your intelligence.
Nadler & Maloney have been in the mix for 30 years (!).
Make the house a 14 years stint and the senate a 18 years stint.
Some elected officials have been in for 30-40- & 50 years.
That’s crazy for them & for us.

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D C
D C
7 months ago

Can you share a link for the youtube video of the debate?

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Kayson212
Kayson212
7 months ago
Reply to  D C

Sure, here’s a link to C-SPAN’s recording:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?522050-1/york-12th-congressional-district-democratic-debate

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D C
D C
7 months ago
Reply to  Kayson212

Thanks

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Sue Tims
Sue Tims
7 months ago

Patel’s attack ads painting Maloney as a crazy old lady turned me off completely. I may even vote for her now instead of Nadler.

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Glen
Glen
7 months ago

I listened to it on WNYC. With no legislative record to run on Patel is so painfully out his league it was embarrassing to listen to. Both Maloney and Nadler made it clear that with seniority comes clout. Why anyone in this district would give up the pork that 30 year old veterans of the House can drag home is beyond me. Yes, I understand that new blood would be nice, but until the current system changes this is what we have to live with.

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Josh P.
Josh P.
7 months ago
Reply to  Glen

What pork? New York is a massive net tax payer that subsidizes the rest of the country. Which I’m ok with! We are a rich district and should pay our fair share. But let’s not pretend that Maloney and Nadler are modern day LBJs bringing back huge benefits to their home districts.
Nadler is a fine, replacement level representative. Maloney voted for Bush’s war of choice in Iraq and should have been primaried a decade ago. Both of them are 72 years old and their seniority will not last forever.
Change in our representation is inevitable, and when there is an open seat we are going to see some extreme ideological candidates run and have a chance at winning in a splintered field. Both Maloney and Nadler are endangering their legacies by failing to plan for a graceful succession. Patel is a middle of the road candidate and now is a natural time for a changing of the guard. I have a feeling people are going to wish we had made the change now when we have five moderate candidates splitting the vote against an extremist in 2026 when Nadler/Maloney retire.

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DointIt
DointIt
7 months ago
Reply to  Glen

Glen you do realiz you are advocating for the very worst this system offers, right?

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Jen
Jen
7 months ago

To me all three were really bad. It is apparent that Nadler needs to retire, he is in no mental shape to do the job.

Maloney is not far behind. They confirm the necessity of term and age limits.

Patel however completely turned me off. The only thing going for him is that he is new blood. Otherwise he has nothing to offer and is very woke, arrogant and inconsistent even during the debate. Imagine how he would act if elected.

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Neighbor
Neighbor
7 months ago
Reply to  Jen

Isn’t Patel supported by real estate developers who want to build more luxury condo towers?

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WestSider
WestSider
7 months ago
Reply to  Jen

How exactly is Patel ‘very woke’ ? Genuinely confused on what that is supposed to mean

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Jeff
Jeff
7 months ago
Reply to  Jen

Agree with Jen. It’s pathetic UWSers are stuck such a mentally challenged and self righteous candidates. Definitely an argument to support term limits.

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GoRangers
GoRangers
7 months ago
Reply to  Jeff

Well, suppose we have the term limits. The new candidate is still Patel, whom a lot of us appear to not endorse. I would like to see viable candidates. The current three options indicate that *we* are not in a good shape.

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Carol Demech
Carol Demech
7 months ago

Carolyn has my vote.

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UWS Kay
UWS Kay
7 months ago
Reply to  Carol Demech

So Jerry struggled to find words a few times. Who among us over 60 doesn’t experience that delay? Do you realize he is the last Jewish person in Congress? I wouldn’t normally make that a factor in my decision, but here it would be appropriate. Carolyn complains that Jerry is playing identity politics by pointing that out, yet she wants you to vote for her because she is a woman. Come on people, Jerry has been good for the UWS, and is slightly more progressive than Carolyn. Now is not the time to boot him out!

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Bill Pearlman
Bill Pearlman
7 months ago
Reply to  UWS Kay

the guy has never been out front on Jewish issues and Israel. And now he’s what super Jew.. A little late my friend

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MJB
MJB
7 months ago
Reply to  UWS Kay

“Struggled to find a few words”? Come on, Nadler is clearly on mental decline. To vote for him because he is Jewish is ok, but for Maloney because she is a woman, is not? Enough of this identity mambo-jumbo, the candidate should be voted on merit, not because of gender or ethnicity.

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Adam
Adam
7 months ago
Reply to  UWS Kay

Last Jewish person in congress? What? There are literally dozens, including YOUR senator. Jamie Raskin, Diane Feinstein, Bernie Sanders, Chuck Schumer, Richard Blumenthal, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, just to name a few. #factsmatter

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nycityny
nycityny
7 months ago
Reply to  Adam

Correction: He is the last Jewish congressman representing New York City. Actually, that’s pretty remarkable for this city.

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RickiLS
RickiLS
7 months ago

Mr. Patel has nothing to run on but his age, and his tv presence. In light of this, his arguments regarding age are plainly agist. He has no history of working for either the East or West side. It would help Mr. Patel’s future if he would do some work in the neighborhoods, get some real-life experience, do something really practical with results, get anything done for the district, and then run! I like Caroline Maloney, and my vote definitely goes for Jerry Nadler. We should not loose Jerry’s seniority!!!

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Josh P.
Josh P.
7 months ago
Reply to  RickiLS

Agism! Joe Biden is 79. House Democratic Leadership : Nancy Pelosi is 82. Steny Hoyer, 83. Jim Clyburn, 82. Senate leadership: Chuck Schumer, a youngster at 72. Read the comments here and see which candidate people feel comfortable disparaging based solely on their age. Which age group exactly is being discriminated against?

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UpperWest Side Dad
UpperWest Side Dad
7 months ago
Reply to  RickiLS

I agree — until the system changes, we should not give up either Ms. Maloney or Mr. Nadler’s seniority. However, i want to ask a serious question. How does someone with limited political experience ever expect to get elected in a neighborhood like ours? We continue to vote for the same people over and over again and in some cases, the official is term limited out, gets another position and then comes back and is elected again. It is very hard for us to say that a candidate should go out and get local experience and then we say we won’t vote for them in a local election because we want the experienced person…..

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RickiLS
RickiLS
7 months ago
Reply to  UpperWest Side Dad

You ask a good, legitimate question. There are many ways acquire experience in government or community experience. Elected office is not the only way, just one way. In this case, I did not see anyway Mr. Patel has had any involvement or experience in government or in the community, other than running for office.

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Trust Me I Know Nothing
Trust Me I Know Nothing
7 months ago

Is Patel basically asking voters to put their faith in his inexperience?

If his campaign is going to attack the other candidates based on their age, he needs to have surrogates making that case–that’s Nasty Politics 101. Too off-putting otherwise, and shows his fundamental lack of experience.

I think the next two years will and should be Nadler’s farewell tour. Perhaps Patel or some other new blood will have learned enough to take the mantel by then.

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Joanne
Joanne
7 months ago

The real tragedy here is that very few UWSers would even considering voting for a moderate Republican or Libertarian. Most of you appear to strongly dislike the 3 Dem candidates, but I know you will vote for the primary winner in November even if the Republican candidate is not a crazy MAGA person.

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WestSider
WestSider
7 months ago
Reply to  Joanne

A moderate republican?? That kind have gone extinct

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Asherz
Asherz
7 months ago

Is there a Republican in the house to vote for instead of these three losers?

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UpperWest Side Dad
UpperWest Side Dad
7 months ago
Reply to  Asherz

On the UWS??? Good luck with that. Most people in this community simple vote for anyone that has “Democrat” next to their name on the ballot, regardless of how bad they are.

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cc in nyc
cc in nyc
7 months ago
Reply to  UpperWest Side Dad

On the UWS, only Trumpers vote for Repubs.

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Lee
Lee
7 months ago
Reply to  UpperWest Side Dad

I’d consider voting for a Republican, if they were pro abortion rights and anti gun lobby and anti Trump. Anti woke is fine. Is there any Repub. like that?

Last edited 7 months ago by Lee
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Deb
Deb
7 months ago
Reply to  Lee

uh, Liz Cheney ?

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Jen
Jen
7 months ago
Reply to  Lee

I wish it was that easy. It is all about current priorities. I am still a Democrat but will be voting Republican for the first time. My priority now is reducing crime and restoring freedom of speech which is basically gone. Only mainstream views are accepted.

As far as abortion rights are concerned they are up to the states now. Our state is safe. The matter should have never been a political issue to start with – it is a medical and ethical issue and should be between a doctor and a patient. We should fight for this and not for a federal mandate.

A lot of Republicans are anti-Trump and don’t want him to run again.

I’m very anti-gun, but in the current climate when soft-on-crime DAs are sponsored , elected and don’t uphold the law, I would rather swallow that. The criminals, especially NYC criminals will and do have guns no matter what.

LGBTQ issues – I don’t feel that anyone’s infringing on their rights now. DeSantis so-called “Don’t sat gay” law is not really about that. It is solely about not teaching primary schoolers about gender fluidity, transitioning, etc. As a parent I am for it. It is too early and confusing for children who can barely comprehend what sex is. Teachers still can talk about their same sex partners, etc.

So this is my take on the current situation. Not perfect, but I have given up on current administration to do anything meaningful. I hope Dems can clean up their act so I can vote for them again. The way the party, country and the city is now – no, they don’t get my vote.

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Raj S
Raj S
7 months ago
Reply to  Jen

Brava, Jen! Nicely summed up. I’m thinking along these lines too.

When I moved here and started talking to people and reading local blogs including this one, I felt I’m in twilight zone. I’m still not sure if the blogs are heavily moderated and don’t let unpopular opinions through, but it did feel like UWSers are in some sort of a cult. They keep complaining about the issues but keep voting for the same people who created and exacerbated these issues. Seriously, twilight zone. Now that I see that at least some people may not be as rigid and buying solely the labels, I feel somewhat relieved.

By the way – there’s no way I’m voting for these three.

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Neighbor
Neighbor
7 months ago
Reply to  Lee

And pro LGBT+. Is any Repub reliably like that?

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West Side Bernie
West Side Bernie
7 months ago

We know nothing about Patel. Voting for him is like going on a blind date. Nadler and Maloney have similar records, with this critical exception: Maloney has taken an equivocal position on vaccinations. With all that’s going on today, we don’t need that. Nadler has genuine clout in the House because he knows his stuff and is looked to by fellow congressional Dems for guidance on a host of issues.

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Jeanne
Jeanne
7 months ago

When is the primary on the UWS

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Term Limits
Term Limits
7 months ago
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https://vote.nyc/elections

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MJB
MJB
7 months ago

Why aren’t we considering any Republican candidates? Again, I have been a Democrat for decades. Isn’t it clear that the current situation with crime, empty store fronts, shelters, Alvin Bragg, etc. is a scream for a drastic change? How many times we are going to listen to promises to improve this and that, only to find them completely disregarded and covered up my empty slogans of “equity “, “diversity”, “democracy “ of which we see none ?

And why WSR didn’t even bother cover any Republican or independent candidates?

This is not democracy or equity or diversity. This is sheer and pure ideological bias that hurts our neighborhood and the city. Presenting different points or view besides ideologically influenced mainstream is both democracy and diversity. Crime coddling is neither.

I am wondering. If WSR will even let this through.

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Huh
Huh
7 months ago
Reply to  MJB

National representatives like Senators and Congresspeople do not have direct impact on the issues you’re concerned about.
Those are the concerns and responsibilities of state and city elected officials like District Attorneys.
Vote accordingly.

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West Side Bernie
West Side Bernie
7 months ago
Reply to  MJB

MJB: Crime-coddling! Empty storefronts! Shelters! Try to keep in mind that we are electing a Member of Congress, not a Member of the City Council. You may think otherwise, but I don’t want to see the party of Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Paul Gosar, Louie Gomert, Jim Jordan take the House.

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MJB
MJB
7 months ago
Reply to  West Side Bernie

Are you sure you used enough exclamations? No need to be so condescending, I understand perfectly who is responsible for what as do most adults.

As far as you statement re member of congress vs member of city council is concerned, please see my reply to @nycityny.

Regarding your last statement – I don’t have respect for these people either. I also zero respect for the current administration Every speech given by Kamala Harris and Karine Jean-Pierre is a joke. Neither do I want to see the video of Tiara Mack:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-rhode-island-state-senator-tiara-mack-tiktok-criticism-twerking-upside-down-20220706-g6yf5qwwdrbgbcgqn6ygfqjhxu-story.html

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Keith
Keith
7 months ago
Reply to  MJB

I hate to point it out, but the three Democrats you call out as jokes are all women of color. Why?

Maybe it’s just a coincidence, but you might want to examine that.

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MJB
MJB
7 months ago
Reply to  Keith

Seriously? I need to examine what exactly? I completely resent your implication and suggest you need to examine the necessity of stopping throwing accusations and apologising.

The example I gave was of the incompetence and in the last case completely inappropriate for a government official behavior. Government officials can’t hide behind ethnicity, gender or lifestyle to escape criticism for their incompetence and conduct. We can’t criticise only white males.

Comments like yours are inflammatory, baseless and a breeding ground for the lack of accountability on part of elected officials.

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Keith
Keith
7 months ago
Reply to  MJB

Quit with the misdirection. No one is saying we should only criticize white males. And obviously a government official is fair game for criticism—though I find it curious that, out of all the officials you could have held up as inferior, you picked a press secretary (who doesn’t make or execute policy) and a no-name state senator (who has nothing to do with the UWS, NYC, or even New York).

But your reaction to gentle questioning is telling—if you just happened to pick three women of color, say that, stand behind your choices, and move on.

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Raj S
Raj S
7 months ago
Reply to  Keith

I have to say that your persistence trying to create a racial conflict where is none rubs me the wrong way.
I’m not white, not a woman though, but I don’t see anything wrong with MGB’s comment criticizing the incompetence of these officials.
You are the one persisting with your odd accusations and honestly it makes me very uncomfortable.
I’m relatively new to UWS, but I already saw a lot of these artificially inflamed righteous statements pretending to defend people of color but in fact they are solely self-serving useless yet hurtful demagogue.

I appreciate if you stop.

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MJB
MJB
7 months ago
Reply to  Keith

Again – the example were of pure incompetence and inappropriate behavior.

You are out of line. Please stop twisting my words and move on.

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nycityny
nycityny
7 months ago
Reply to  MJB

Because:
1) City crime, empty store fronts, shelters, Alvin Bragg, etc. are LOCAL issues and are not issues for the US Congress, the office for which these 3 are running.

2) Any Republican would end up voting with all other Republican congressmen in the country, as directed by their leader Kevin McCarthy. Kevin McCarthy does not in any way represent UWS values and voting to put another Republican in congress would be antithetical to those values.

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MJB
MJB
7 months ago
Reply to  nycityny

“ Any Republican would end up voting with all other Republican congressmen in the country, as directed by their leader ”

My point exactly regarding local issues being unresolved by Democrat officials because they would be listening to their Democrat leaders in Congress.

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Carol
Carol
7 months ago

We’re just screwed because as Patel alluded…… they’re all the same! This is not choice! They are ALL one basket of HOT MESS.
Anyone who isn’t a super-far-left, pork-belly-rubbing crony/know-it-all is just SCREWED.

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Carol
Carol
7 months ago

And on a completely irrelevant note, I will say when I first turned on the tv, not realizing the debate was on, my first thought was, “Who’s the dude with Shoney’s Big Boy hair?!?”.
Then I realized it was the debate and who that was.
But seriously……. Women now have flat hair, and men have 80’s big hair? I can’t keep up!

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Moose
Moose
7 months ago

I have a lot of respect for Jerry Nadler and was pretty confident that I would vote for him again. But I can’t.

He really struggled last night. And recent media appearances indicated similar challenges with engagement and articulation.

I’m grateful for his strong representation of our district over these many years, but I’m going to give my vote to Maloney, however reluctantly.

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margo
margo
7 months ago

jerry nadler has always been a thoughtful, very smart man who considers his words carefully.

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Carmella Ombrella
Carmella Ombrella
7 months ago
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One problem with this kind of TV debate is that the slickest, glibbest, most physically attractive candidate, the one who talks longer, faster and louder than the others, often comes off best — even if the thinking is superficial and the arguments twisted. He’s not the prettiest guy on the screen, but Jerry says what he means and means what he says, without a lot of blah-blah-baloney. Which puts him at a disadvantage on TV, but not as a Congressman. He gets my vote.

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Josh P.
Josh P.
7 months ago

Maloney’s argument is that she’s been in office 30 years, during which Roe v. Wade was overturned, and she’s the only one that can protect abortion rights? As a senior Democratic elected official, did she ever push for Ruth Bader Ginsburg to retire during the Obama administration? Either she doesn’t have any impact on abortion rights, or she does and she failed to protect them. She can’t have it both ways.

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joseph katz
joseph katz
7 months ago
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg retried when she went to the beyond.
Politics should not play a roll in justice of any kind.

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Tipping Point
Tipping Point
7 months ago

Jerry Nadler proudly endorsed Alvin Bragg for Manhattan DA; Carolyn Maloney declined to do so. Enough said.

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Jen
Jen
7 months ago
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Very good point.

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Matt
Matt
7 months ago

Anyone but Maloney. Probably going to vote for Nadler, yeah he’s on the decline but he still has clout, he can be pushed on Progressive issues, has shown he can adopt some more left positions, and is clearly making inroads with the institutional left (Warren, AOC, and WFP Endorsements). He’s also got a slightly better record than Maloney in some big spots (Iraq, patriot Act, Vaccines etc). Lest we remember Maloney’s disgusting stunt wearing a Burqa on the house floor to gun up Islamaphobia as a way to justify her Iraq war vote. Gross. I don’t love Nadler, but he’s got the best instincts of the 3, a slightly better record, and has been more friendly to Progressives than most other senior members (and I mean SENIOR lol). He has my vote.

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